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Before we got Rioch I wanted Dario Gradi. I think we should go for him, as we need some better PR.

Lived in Rochdale for yonks and saw a lot of Dale over the years, especially in that spell that led to first promotion from L2, as has been said, never had any money but oversaw great work in the acad

Just heard from The Bantry Club on Derby St, that a well known local sauce company have been successful in their bid, with the proviso that the new manager plays five up front. It’s a clear case

RIoch and Todd rebuilt our club , both financially and on the pitch with limited resources and  had an excellent win rate. They built the platform for Allardyce who came in when there was (too much) money slushing around so to some extent Sam was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time. From our position now I'd put my house on the mighty Bruce if he was an option as Foweraker aside, he's the best manager we've ever had. Seeing as he isn't - Holden looks in the strongest position with his work at Bristol City being current and built on a breadth of experience on and off the training ground. He was a shit player for us though :)

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Alladyce wasn't lucky, he worked really very hard at it and was meticulous to the point of obsession

Rioch jumped ship at the first opportunity and didn't see the job through 

Both great but it's not even close

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2 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Holden looks in the strongest position with his work at Bristol City being current and built on a breadth of experience on and off the training ground. He was a shit player for us though :)

Was he? I was only 11 when he broke his leg, but seem to recall he looked a star in the making up until then?

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9 minutes ago, BWFC_LOVE said:

Was he? I was only 11 when he broke his leg, but seem to recall he looked a star in the making up until then?

Aye, pre leg break he showed a lot of promise

Local full backs are never appreciated though

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12 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

RIoch and Todd rebuilt our club , both financially and on the pitch with limited resources and  had an excellent win rate. They built the platform for Allardyce who came in when there was (too much) money slushing around so to some extent Sam was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time. From our position now I'd put my house on the mighty Bruce if he was an option as Foweraker aside, he's the best manager we've ever had. Seeing as he isn't - Holden looks in the strongest position with his work at Bristol City being current and built on a breadth of experience on and off the training ground. He was a shit player for us though :)

We were skint when Sam came in! He wheeled & dealed in the transfer market and worked wonders to get us up and then keep us up - he earned the right to spend the amount he did on his back room team because his results justified the expenditure.

it all went tits up after he left and he took his back room team with him. We never recovered..

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It’s got to be a disciplinarian,  they got to be part of the set up, someone the kids respect and can move the rascals forward.  There’s no buying players for two years so we need to stabilise, we need maturity, communication and someone who ticks all the internal boxes.  Jimmy Phillips or David Lee for me

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We won't have another opportunity to reshape the future of the club for 20 or 30 years. We've got the chance to build an attractive, exciting, young squad from the grass roots up providing we buy right and promote from within. Can't help feeling Kevin Nolan would be too much in the mould of Big Sam. Shouldn't we try something different while we've got the chance?

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Imo Megson,Coyle, and Freedman were all shit managers for BWFC and they did a great job of undoing what had been one of the best periods in our history.

To be fair, they aren't the only ones (or even the worst ones) if we're switching to a "Shit managers at Bolton" list

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11 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Imo Megson,Coyle, and Freedman were all shit managers for BWFC and they did a great job of undoing what had been one of the best periods in our history.

To be fair, they aren't the only ones (or even the worst ones) if we're switching to a "Shit managers at Bolton" list

Charlie Wright.

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Sammy Lee,Neil Lennon.

Jimmy Meadows has to go down as the all time worst with just 1 win in 16 games during a short lived period in 1971.

Anyway forget all that bollox from way back, whose going to be our next top man?

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42 minutes ago, Ros Coe said:

We were skint when Sam came in! He wheeled & dealed in the transfer market and worked wonders to get us up and then keep us up - he earned the right to spend the amount he did on his back room team because his results justified the expenditure.

Sam inherited a cracking team from Toddy which included Per Frandsen, Eidur Gudjonssen, Per Frandsen, Bob Taylor, Gunlauggson and we'd already had a season in the Premiership in 95 and made some incredible transfer deals that put more money in the bank. In the 12 years before Allardyce we'd risen from the fourth division, become cup giant killers, got a fancy new stadium and got in touch with the top again. Skint is a relative term.

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3 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Sam inherited a cracking team from Toddy which included Per Frandsen, Eidur Gudjonssen, Per Frandsen, Bob Taylor, Gunlauggson and we'd already had a season in the Premiership in 95 and made some incredible transfer deals that put more money in the bank. In the 12 years before Allardyce we'd risen from the fourth division, become cup giant killers, got a fancy new stadium and got in touch with the top again. Skint is a relative term.

Which incredible transfer deals are you talking about? I always had the feeling we got short changed when we sold any of our best players during that period.

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1 minute ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Which incredible transfer deals are you talking about? I always had the feeling we got short changed when we sold any of our best players during that period.

Agreed. We have never sold for good money.

The only time have I lve thought we'd done even remotely well was selling madine for 7m

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8 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Sam inherited a cracking team from Toddy which included Per Frandsen, Eidur Gudjonssen, Per Frandsen, Bob Taylor, Gunlauggson and we'd already had a season in the Premiership in 95 and made some incredible transfer deals that put more money in the bank. In the 12 years before Allardyce we'd risen from the fourth division, become cup giant killers, got a fancy new stadium and got in touch with the top again. Skint is a relative term.

Rioch actually inherited the nucleus of a team built by Neal that included Mcateer and Stubbs.

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5 minutes ago, HomerJay said:

Agreed. We have never sold for good money.

The only time have I lve thought we'd done even remotely well was selling madine for 7m

Exactly.

Mc Ateer - sold too cheap, likewise Stubbs,Thommo,Cahill,Anelka etc etc.

We paid too much for plenty of players though.

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37 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Sam inherited a cracking team from Toddy which included Per Frandsen, Eidur Gudjonssen, Per Frandsen, Bob Taylor, Gunlauggson and we'd already had a season in the Premiership in 95 and made some incredible transfer deals that put more money in the bank. In the 12 years before Allardyce we'd risen from the fourth division, become cup giant killers, got a fancy new stadium and got in touch with the top again. Skint is a relative term.

He eventually signed frandsen back from bburn and gunlaugsson was gone before he turned up

The foundations were there but he was generally bringing in the likes of barness, charlton, Ian Marshall, and farrelly to mould a promotion challenge

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32 minutes ago, HomerJay said:

Agreed. We have never sold for good money.

The only time have I lve thought we'd done even remotely well was selling madine for 7m

Another you might say was good business was doubling our money on anelka in 18 months

But generally, aye, we"re shit in the transfer market

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1 hour ago, Hoppy510 said:

Sam inherited a cracking team from Toddy which included Per Frandsen, Eidur Gudjonssen, Per Frandsen, Bob Taylor, Gunlauggson and we'd already had a season in the Premiership in 95 and made some incredible transfer deals that put more money in the bank. In the 12 years before Allardyce we'd risen from the fourth division, become cup giant killers, got a fancy new stadium and got in touch with the top again. Skint is a relative term.

 

The last 12 or so years (plus the rest of our lifetimes probably), and the previous 50-odd before that are the only testament to Big Sam's greatness anyone should ever need.

Inheriting a side with a 30+ year old Bob Taylor hardly makes you a cert to go to the brink of the Champions League.

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Alan Thompson bought for £375k sold to Villa for 7.2m

Sasa Curcic bought for 2.5m and sold to Villa for 6m

Alan Stubbs free sold to Celtic for 4.75m

McAteer free sold to Liverpool for 6.25m - although there was a rumour that we gave Marine a set of shirts and a dozen footballs :)

John McGinlay £150k sold to Bradford for £730k

Gudni Bergsson bought for £95k and played for us until he retired a legend

Jussi Jaaskelainen bought for £150k but given away many years later

Nathan Blake bought for £1.68m sold to Blackburn for 5.95m - where he was crap :)

Pretty big money for us back in the 90s.

There are others and we made small losses and small gains with only one big loss - Deano - who for some reason we paid Wimbledon 4.8m for, but overall it was phenomenal scouting and trading during the Rioch and Todd years  that put the financial foundations back in place.

And there was the gate money for those phenomenal cup runs and Premiership/TV money for the first time.

All this before Eddie Davies joined the board in 1999 - same time as Sam arrived.

Not saying Sam didn't do well, but he sure didn't do it from scratch and he had a helluva lot more financial help than Rioch and Todd.

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