Extinction people

[Winchester White]

18 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

They all are.

Ed Milliband would be pissing it for labour against Boris as would someone of Cameron's ilk Vs Corbyn.

For all the vocal loons at both extremes of the parties the vast majority of the UK sits in the middle.

The Tories and Labour both keep making barmy decisions and putting utter twats in high positions

It comes to something when Ed Miliband is preferred to the current leader but you are right. Bet Labour wish they chose the other brother now the dickheads.

[Escobarp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dieadeath/status/1192442690035732487

 

 

[Escobarp]

Best thing I’ve seen all year and fully deserved. Stopping normal folk going about there daily routines again. When will these people learn it’s not the way to do it

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

They all are.

Ed Milliband would be pissing it for labour against Boris as would someone of Cameron's ilk Vs Corbyn.

For all the vocal loons at both extremes of the parties the vast majority of the UK sits in the middle.

The Tories and Labour both keep making barmy decisions and putting utter twats in high positions

Ed Milliband?

Not a chance.

His brother, different gravy altogether. Great choice they made there. Not.

[frank_spencer]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Ed Milliband?

Not a chance.

His brother, different gravy altogether. Great choice they made there. Not.

Compared to Corbyn he's streets ahead.

For the first election in my life I'm unsure who to vote for.

My MP is labour and does a good job when it come to local issues and helping his residents. But Corbyn and his cronies put me off the party. 

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Alfoil R Us  I am sure and certain if this lot you are allied with piss/turn me off so much, there will be millions more turned off also.

I don't believe I am wrong about the 'stark warnings' either. Everything is exaggerated to fuck these days and thereby loses its impact as people get weary of all of the impending diasters which never materialise (remember how we were going to hell in a handcart as soon as the country voted for Brexit?).

You and the Kent miss the critical comment as always. We are all pretty much on the same side here. The disagreement is about what actions are taken. The hysterical language is a turn off. The nuisance factor of blocking ordinary people going about their everyday business is intolerable.

No surrender.

Of course millions are turned off by these things. It's the nature of our divided, apathetic society where many people are unable to compromise or empathise with the beliefs of others. I didn't say the polls were at 100%. I just offered evidence that far more people were starting to engage than disengage. The stark warnings from scientists are clearly working. Right wing parties risk being completely left behind if they don't make serious changes to their climate manifestos and the industries they support. 

Comparing this to Brexit is pointless. Many things are exaggerated yes and many things don't get enough attention. We've been lied to by all parties regarding Brexit. But it ain't politicians who are warning us of untold human suffering and catastrophe. So why would scientists be exaggerating the issue?

I get the critique about the tactics of XR, i've said that from the beginning. But you keep on refering to 'hysterical language'. I would be interested to see if you could find something that XR have warned us about that isn't based on rational scientific evidence?

Famine, war and societal collapse within 50 years are very real consequences if we don't take the advice and stay below 1.5 degrees. If that kind of talk turns you off then maybe you need to look deeper at your psychological response to things you don't want to hear. 

Edited November 7, 2019 by London Wanderer

[Boby Brno]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Of course millions are turned off by these things. It's the nature of our divided, apathetic society where many people are unable to compromise or empathise with the beliefs of others. I didn't say the polls were at 100%. I just offered evidence that far more people were starting to engage than disengage. The stark warnings from scientists are clearly working. Right wing parties risk being completely left behind if they don't make serious changes to their climate manifestos and the industries they support. 

Comparing this to Brexit is pointless. Many things are exaggerated yes and many things don't get enough attention. We've been lied to by all parties regarding Brexit. But it ain't politicians who are warning us of untold human suffering and catastrophe. So why would scientists be exaggerating the issue?

I get the critique about the tactics of XR, i've said that from the beginning. But you keep on refering to 'hysterical language'. Iep on refering to 'hysterical language'. I would be interested to see if you could find something that XR have warned us about that isn't based on rational scientific evidence?

Famine, war and societal collapse within 50 years are very real consequences if we don't take the advice and stay below 1.5 degrees. If that kind of talk turns you off then maybe you need to look deeper at your psychological response to things you don't want to hear. 

"I am talking about the slaughter, death, and starvation of 6 billion people this century—that's what the science predicts."

 

Roger Hallam. BBC news August 2019

Stop frightening the children.

Edited November 7, 2019 by Boby Brno

[DirtySanchez]

7 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Brilliant. That's Shame Warne levels of spin right there 😀

That bridge that never got built - what's your googly on that one?

https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/garden_bridge_review_1.pdf

[bolty58]

21 hours ago, kent_white said:

I'm on the side of the scientists - I'm not sure which side you're on. Not mine by the sounds of it.

Never, never , never! (where is my Ian Paisley photograph?) 

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I get the critique about the tactics of XR, i've said that from the beginning. But you keep on refering to 'hysterical language'. I would be interested to see if you could find something that XR have warned us about that isn't based on rational scientific evidence?

 

Fuck me gently with a bastard file. How easy is this!!!???

 

[MickyD]

How strange that the group send lambs to the slaughter onto programmes such as Andrew Marr. He kept on quoting the founders of the Extinction Group and this Zion Lights (presumably made up name) seems to roll her eyes every time in an, "Oh bollocks, what did they say this time and how can I justify it?"

Why aren't the founders who came up with these shock-soundbytes doing the interviews?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Thought I'd stick this in here.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thenational.scot/news/18022693.edinburgh-botanics-team-joins-darwin-tree-life-dna-project/&ved=2ahUKEwjGtu-q_NrlAhWORMAKHWGFCVYQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1hPC320ITDCbZDM7hJJQEf

Fascinating project, perhaps with extra meaning in the current 'environment'.

[London Wanderer]

22 hours ago, Boby Brno said:

"I am talking about the slaughter, death, and starvation of 6 billion people this century—that's what the science predicts."

 

Roger Hallam. BBC news August 2019

Stop frightening the children.

I'm glad you went for this one.

Don't get me wrong, I think Roger Hallam is a naive and arrogant prick. But that quote is based on rational science predicting what could happen if we stay on our current track towards 4 degrees of warming. Not forgetting that once we hit 2 degrees we will cause irreversible tipping points such as melting permafrosts and ocean acidification. 

I'm not going bore you and I'm under strict limitations after Bolty's well-advised word count warning. But the idea that billions of people could die within this century is not hysteria. I'll criticise their tactics all day long but when it comes to their use of language, XR have only been repeating the research and warnings of scientists. If you've a problem with Roger's quote then you are also disputing the science. We were told this week that inaction would cause untold human suffering and the scientific community declared a global emergency. We are currently making this world unhabitable much quicker than anybody could have anticipated.

Quotes such as those from Roger Hallam are based on a worst case scenario if we stay on our current trajectory. Let's fucking hope we take the action we've been told needs to be taken now. The only people frightening children are world leaders and industries that are taking phony action. 

The past 30 years have been a battle to prove that man-made climate change is real. Now it is battle to prove just how serious the situation is. 

This is some of the recent research I was refering to: 

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/586541/the-uninhabitable-earth-by-david-wallace-wells/

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/19/16908402/global-warming-2-degrees-climate-change

https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/impacts-climate-change-one-point-five-degrees-two-degrees/?utm_source=web&utm_campaign=Redirect

Edited November 8, 2019 by London Wanderer

[Boby Brno]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Don't get me wrong, I think Roger Hallam is a naive and arrogant prick. But that quote is based on rational science.

No it’s not. Not anywhere. Nowhere apart from in the head of lunatic extremists. That’s why ER will never be taken seriously by the vast majority of reasonably minded people in this country and any other country that they try to spread their views.

 

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I'm glad you went for this one.

Don't get me wrong, I think Roger Hallam is a naive and arrogant prick. But that quote is based on rational science predicting what could happen if we stay on our current track towards 4 degrees of warming. Not forgetting that once we hit 2 degrees we will cause irreversible tipping points such as melting permafrosts and ocean acidification. 

You're wasting your time mate. Nobody on here is ever going to change their mind, regardless of the facts.

[London Wanderer]

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Fuck me gently with a bastard file. How easy is this!!!???

 

He's said a couple things in there that show his own levels of naivity on this issue. "You're scaring people with this rhetoric aren't you"; "climate scientists don't agree with this" and "how would they die". Of course people are fucking scared. There has been a massive rise in scientific researchers seeking counselling based on what they are finding out. I don't see the point of what he's getting at there and that last question about how they would die is plain daft. He's also admitted that he based his questionning on the IPCC report. The IPCC report didn't aim to predict the consequences of what will happen to society, only what will happen to the planet's ecosystems and climate. Since the IPCC report, many scientists are now talking about what could happen if we fail to take action. Just this week a collective of 11,000 scientists warned us that without deep and lasting change their will be 'untold human suffering'. 

Said it before and say it again. If we stay on course to 4 degrees, the idea that billions could die isn't hysteria. 

Putting all that aside. I'm not a doom and gloom person. Far from it. There is a lot of hope on this and people are begining to wake up and accept the need for huge changes. I'm not a defender of XR or their tactics, but I'll happily defend their warnings all day long. The stark warnings from scientists persuaded me to do something more positive and relevant with my work and I've seen it doing similar things for others. 

[London Wanderer]

This was for Boby Brno but I deleted the quote bit.

😁 I've just kindly posted you three links and one on the post above that show the complete opposite. Not written by lunatic extremists, but written by scientific experts and based on solid, widespread research. I didn't expect you to read them mate. But if you are going to make daft comments (no offence) then maybe you should have at least checked the sources of what I posted. 

To put everything I've said in simpler terms, the message of XR is very similar to the message of scientists. It's the tactics that differ. Yes Roger fucking Hallam focuses on the worst case scenario that we stay on track towards 4 degrees. But the message that if we don't act billions could die within this century is not the view of lunatics.

Read the first paragraph of the article I posted in reply to Bolty above. Look at the warning, look at who is giving it and how many are giving it. I would love you to then come back and tell that it is a message wildy different from XRs and it is the view of lunatic extremists.

Happy Friday 🍻

Edited November 8, 2019 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

36 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You're wasting your time mate. Nobody on here is ever going to change their mind, regardless of the facts.

Will they in 30 years? 

[Escobarp]

44 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You're wasting your time mate. Nobody on here is ever going to change their mind, regardless of the facts.

Bollocks as per

Edited November 8, 2019 by Escobarp

[Escobarp]

I will add some Context to that message for the wider group. I for one have hand on heart never been one to take climate change seriously. Was I aware yes of course but I’ve never really been overly bothered. 
i have to say LW yours are the only links I’ve read on here and that’s because you are knowledgeable and fair. You have certainly made me think 

can I make huge changes that are going to change the world  nope but none of us are individually  

so yes despite the forum bloon saying otherwise you have changed the views of someone on here and I won’t be the only one  keep it coming as it’s interesting!

 

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Will they in 30 years? 

Nope.

[Boby Brno]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😁 I've just kindly posted you three links and one on the post above that show the complete opposite. Not written by lunatic extremists, but written by scientific experts and based on solid, widespread research. I didn't expect you to read them mate. But if you are going to make daft comments (no offence) then maybe you should have at least checked the sources of what I posted. 

To put everything I've said in simpler terms, the message of XR is very similar to the message of scientists. It's the tactics that differ. Yes Roger fucking Hallam focuses on the worst case scenario that we stay on track towards 4 degrees. But the message that if we don't act billions could die within this century is not the view of lunatics.

Read the first paragraph of the article I posted in reply to Bolty above. Look at the warning, look at who is giving it and how many are giving it. I would love you to then come back and tell that it is a message wildy different from XRs and it is the view of lunatic extremists.

Happy Friday 🍻

You can post as many links as you want. You said that Hallam’s bizarre claims are based on ‘rational science’. 
The vast majority of scientists do not agree. There are some extreme scientists who probably do. There are probably an equal number of extreme scientists who believe that we don’t have a problem at all. 
We’ve gone over this more than once. Ill leave it there now before I bring up China again, just to annoy Casino.  

[London Wanderer]

20 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I will add some Context to that message for the wider group. I for one have hand on heart never been one to take climate change seriously. Was I aware yes of course but I’ve never really been overly bothered. 
i have to say LW yours are the only links I’ve read on here and that’s because you are knowledgeable and fair. You have certainly made me think 

can I make huge changes that are going to change the world  nope but none of us are individually  

so yes despite the forum bloon saying otherwise you have changed the views of someone on here and I won’t be the only one  keep it coming as it’s interesting!

 

It's appreciated bud. I'm glad. Like you said, it's not about individual change. Though it's important to raise awareness and cut back on what we can. It's governments and industry taking responsibilty and acting on the science that will make a difference. All we can do is support that change and accept that some things will have to be different. 

And those changes that need to happen aren't about making sacrifices or becoming off-grid yoghurt weavers. Much of what scientists are saying we need to change could actually have a positive impact on local communities and people's physical and mental well-being. Reduction in pollution levels, huge restoration of wild spaces, green industrial revolution, healthier farms, local energy sources and more plants in our diet. 

Edited November 8, 2019 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

You can post as many links as you want. You said that Hallam’s bizarre claims are based on ‘rational science’. 
The vast majority of scientists do not agree. There are some extreme scientists who probably do. There are probably an equal number of extreme scientists who believe that we don’t have a problem at all. 
We’ve gone over this more than once. Ill leave it there now before I bring up China again, just to annoy Casino.  

I did say that bud. I dislike the guy but I don't think his claim is bizzare. Far from it. 

All those links are evidence that the claim isn't bizzare. They are based on 'rational science' and they point to catastrophic consequences if we don't act. Roger Hallam's message is pretty clear- If we maintain our current trajectory to 4 degrees billions could die within this century and war and widespread famine could be common place. You say the vast majority of scientists do not agree, out of interest, do you know of any research done by scientists that discredits that claim? 

I really don't think that a declaration by eleven thousand scientists this week, of a 'clear and unequivocal' global emergency, that could cause 'untold human suffering', is representative of a minority of extreme scientists. 
 

[Cheese]

31 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

You can post as many links as you want. You said that Hallam’s bizarre claims are based on ‘rational science’. 
The vast majority of scientists do not agree. There are some extreme scientists who probably do. There are probably an equal number of extreme scientists who believe that we don’t have a problem at all. 
We’ve gone over this more than once. Ill leave it there now before I bring up China again, just to annoy Casino.  

What the fuck is an "extreme scientist"? Hahahaha that's possibly the most stupid thing I've ever read on here. 

Edited November 8, 2019 by Cheese