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4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I did say that bud. I dislike the guy but I don't think his claim is bizzare. Far from it. 

All those links are evidence that the claim isn't bizzare. They are based on 'rational science' and they point to catastrophic consequences if we don't act. Roger Hallam's message is pretty clear- If we maintain our current trajectory to 4 degrees billions could die within this century and war and widespread famine could be common place. You say the vast majority of scientists do not agree, out of interest, do you know of any research done by scientists that discredits that claim? 

I really don't think that a declaration by eleven thousand scientists this week, of a 'clear and unequivocal' global emergency, that could cause 'untold human suffering', is representative of a minority of extreme scientists. 
 

You don’t think his claim that billions are going to die due to climate change are bizarre? We’ll agree to differ. 
Even the conclusions of the eleven thousand scientists do not predict that scenario. 

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6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's why she did for the coal mines!

I think it has been pointed out before, but the types of people who hated Maggie for closing the mines, now hate coal.

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Corbyn supported the miners yet he seems keen to nationalise the energy market now which will of course lead to tens of thousands of job losses. No need for sales staff for a start if you only have 1 company to supply everyone 

Seems hypocritical to me 

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6 hours ago, boltondiver said:

I think it has been pointed out before, but the types of people who hated Maggie for closing the mines, now hate coal.

She was showing more leadership on this issue 30 years ago than a lot of them are now. I'd have her back in a heartbeat if she would take this by the horns. 

Everything else is an irrelevance.

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Just now, kent_white said:

 

Everything else is an irrelevance.

Can't say I feel like that about it

Probably ignorance on my part, to be fair

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22 hours ago, Boby Brno said:

You don’t think his claim that billions are going to die due to climate change are bizarre? We’ll agree to differ. 
Even the conclusions of the eleven thousand scientists do not predict that scenario. 

I don't think it is no.

But the conclusions of scientists do predict that is possible if we don't change. That's all I've been trying to point out to you. They are now talking about what collapsing land & ocean ecosystems would mean for humanity. This paper, by well respected scientists, warns us of a 'near to mid-term existential threat to human civilization' and a good chance of the 'collapse of civilization by 2050 if mitigation actions are not taken'. Sounds like Roger to me, except it's not. It's coming from mainstream climate science.

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/65633-climate-change-dooms-humans-by-2050.html

We can agree to differ bud. All of these 'bizzare' claims are based on us staying on our current trajectory to 4 of degrees of warming. What's more important is that we all work together to avoid that happening. 

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This is another geezer who's been talking and writing a lot about what 2 degrees and 4 degrees means. He's not an extremist, far from it, and he's supported by many climate scientists. The second half of his video details what it will mean if we stay on course to 4.3 degrees and it's fucking bleak. It's very similar to what Extinction Rebellion say we're facing but said in a less provocative way. It's why I quesion how Andrew Neil, as good as a questionner he is, can sit there & blazenly say climate scientitsts don't support XRs claims. 

The guy in this video (author of uninhabitable earth) also says that nobody should be turning away from the truth. We should be looking at with honesty and taking responsiblity for avoiding this scenario. It's time people stopped accusing folk of scaremongering and turning away because they don't like the langauge. People need grow up and face it, IMO. 
 


 

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Jesus; painting a devastating picture there.

A few things; presumably the warming is still gradual, so would the refugee crisis, be relatively slow?

Would the lack of water, and food which would ensue, bring about lower birth rates; reducing population naturally? As cruel as that might be.

His carbon capture comments: surely the answer to that is to have massive tree planting, and do that alongside technological innovation.

Not dismissing his comments at all, I do have the feeling that if the world doesn't get it's act together, there will be huge loss of life and in turn a reduction in carbon emissions. Nature fighting back if you like.

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On 10/11/2019 at 06:21, London Wanderer said:

I don't think it is no.

But the conclusions of scientists do predict that is possible if we don't change. That's all I've been trying to point out to you. They are now talking about what collapsing land & ocean ecosystems would mean for humanity. This paper, by well respected scientists, warns us of a 'near to mid-term existential threat to human civilization' and a good chance of the 'collapse of civilization by 2050 if mitigation actions are not taken'. Sounds like Roger to me, except it's not. It's coming from mainstream climate science.

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/65633-climate-change-dooms-humans-by-2050.html

We can agree to differ bud. All of these 'bizzare' claims are based on us staying on our current trajectory to 4 of degrees of warming. What's more important is that we all work together to avoid that happening. 

Bizarre naivete. Not your post. Just correct spellings. Does my head in - blame BCGS,.

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18 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Nature fighting back if you like.

Boom. She always wins in the end.

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JC making political capital of the floods.

A risky business, as he just said more flood defenses are necessary, when it was revealed last night that fishlake may well have been made worse by the presence of flood defenses upstream. Passing the water on if you like.

Land has to be left for the purposes of allowing excess water to spread out, and not funneled onwards at an every increasing volume and speed.

 

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On 09/11/2019 at 21:50, birch-chorley said:

Corbyn supported the miners yet he seems keen to nationalise the energy market now which will of course lead to tens of thousands of job losses. No need for sales staff for a start if you only have 1 company to supply everyone 

Seems hypocritical to me 

I thought the plan was to run those companies as they exist yet the "profits" become surplusses to be invested into the "green economy". They will in effect take the DNOs under state ownership. I guess their argument might be in the long term there will be job losses compensated for by new jobs on renewables etc..

I see no real reason for privatising the energy networks - simply regulate providers and ensure cost reductions are adequately passed on to the consumers. 

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9 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

JC making political capital of the floods.

A risky business, as he just said more flood defenses are necessary, when it was revealed last night that fishlake may well have been made worse by the presence of flood defenses upstream. Passing the water on if you like.

Land has to be left for the purposes of allowing excess water to spread out, and not funneled onwards at an every increasing volume and speed.

 

Fair points

But I'm pretty sure there'd have been more govt activity if Henley was under water

 

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18 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Bizarre naivete. Not your post. Just correct spellings. Does my head in - blame BCGS,.

BCGS? 

Ain't correcting spellings. I've got better things to do than proof read every essay I post. 

You say it's bizarre naivete but offer no scientific evidence to dispute it. I've posted plenty of links and respected scientific research that is in line with the narrative of XR. Like I said before, surely it's their tactics that are the issue, not the message. Billions could die and societies could crumble if we don't act on this. For me, the naivety lies in failing to accept the evidence supporting that claim.  

We must start the immediate transition away from fossil fuels now. Even if that comes at a short-term cost. Otherwise it will be our economies that crumble first, even before our ecosystems do, as we find ourselves unable to afford the huge mitigation costs further down the line. 

https://fortune.com/2019/09/10/cost-of-climate-change-2019/

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1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

BCGS? 

Ain't correcting spellings. I've got better things to do than proof read every essay I post. 

You say it's bizarre naivete but offer no scientific evidence to dispute it. I've posted plenty of links and respected scientific research that is in line with the narrative of XR. Like I said before, surely it's their tactics that are the issue, not the message. Billions could die and societies could crumble if we don't act on this. For me, the naivety lies in failing to accept the evidence supporting that claim.  

We must start the immediate transition away from fossil fuels now. Even if that comes at a short-term cost. Otherwise it will be our economies that crumble first, even before our ecosystems do, as we find ourselves unable to afford the huge mitigation costs further down the line. 

https://fortune.com/2019/09/10/cost-of-climate-change-2019/

 

Stay on point lad. Stay on point :D

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13 hours ago, Casino said:

Fair points

But I'm pretty sure there'd have been more govt activity if Henley was under water

 

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure govt responds to information from authorities on the ground. Henley folk are used to boats and may cope better...

We heard from JC that is should be called a national emergency of whatever to release funds. This was days after funds had been released.

There is always going to be opinion that things should be better, and I'm sure reviews will be undertaken.

This is unfortunately happening regularly and is an indicator of climate change.

Some drastic action needed, to tackle the cause not just the effects.

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Not read this thread for ages

Do people still think climate change is made up? Actually, really believe it isn’t happening?

The arctic ice is 90% less than it was 35 years ago.

thats not an assumption, or scaremongering, it’s just not fucking there anymore.

Climate change deniers are in the same shitty closet as flat earthers.

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The ice caps are smaller, therefore they reflect less heat away from the earth, meaning the water is warmer, melting more of the ice cap.

A shitty cycle.

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Just now, Traf said:

The ice caps are smaller, therefore they reflect less heat away from the earth, meaning the water is warmer, melting more of the ice cap.

A shitty cycle.

According to some, this is entirely normal and in no way caused by humans.

Flat Earthers.

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Research by a Spanish vessel into deep sea mining. Rocks rich in metals, particularly cobalt. Needed for production of batteries for "eco friendly" electric cars!

Concerns it will fuck up life deep down.

Ok, time to get back on the bike.

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16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Research by a Spanish vessel into deep sea mining. Rocks rich in metals, particularly cobalt. Needed for production of batteries for "eco friendly" electric cars!

Concerns it will fuck up life deep down.

Ok, time to get back on the bike.

Yeah I saw this on the news today. That extraction method doesn't look good and I can't see how they can do it without screwing the sea bed and marine life. Shows the compexity of the issue. We need an electric car revolution yet we also need to restore marine coral and kelp forests which are excellent at capturing C02. 

Could do with a revolution in greener transport such as cycling and bike path infrastructure. We will always need cars especially for people's businesses. But we could reduce car use and get millions more cycling with better infrastructure. I think a lot of folk are put off because it's so dangerous on the roads and cyclists and drivers just end up pissing each other off. Separate the two and many will choose to cycle. 

Father in law is part of a scheme in Inverness that takes elderly people to the shops and socials on trikes. They're practically as comfy as a taxi and it's been a hugely popular scheme. 

Everything we do has to be centred around reducing demand. 

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When I worked in Manchester, I went on my mountain bike a couple of times; using the country park (croal irwell valley) as much as possible to avoid the roads.

No good when dark, and not really suitable for commuter cycling, but was lucky enough that there was a gym on the top floor of my building with showers.

The latter becomes quite important really, do need facilities to get cleaned up and changed at work if you're cycling.

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Working from home is possible for large numbers of the population.

If you can, you should. Even doing 2 days a week would be a massive reduction in carbons or whatever it is that’s causing the problems.

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