nantwichwhite Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 It seems fairly reasonable to try a different approach. We cannot keep trying the same method and not getting the players through. The foundations are being put into place but there is s long way to go yet. We need better results quickly. Oh for a Greaves, Sam or Bruce to lead us out of the wilderness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take Hunt Off Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 8 hours ago, nantwichwhite said: It seems fairly reasonable to try a different approach. We cannot keep trying the same method and not getting the players through. The foundations are being put into place but there is s long way to go yet. We need better results quickly. Oh for a Greaves, Sam or Bruce to lead us out of the wilderness. Amen to that brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I can get that to a point, but at some point these youngsters have to be blooded to give them that experience and physical 'baptism' to find out if they can manage it. As well as they may be coached, at some point they have to be given an opportunity to "grow up" for the want of a better description. I don't suppose it helps if there's little correlation between what the first team and the youth set up are doing. The interview with TP suggests that they are looking for this sort of continuity, which seems perfectly reasonable. It takes a while for players to come through. It's not long ago that a fair few were saying that Chris Basham and Aaron Mooy were at Blackpool and St. Mirren respectively for a reason. Anyway, if you don't give plsyers a chance it's more than likely they won't make the grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Anyway, putting 18 yos in the team in L2 in physical positions like centre half is a non starter. No matter how good they are. Different at 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 5, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 5, 2020 Mate, where are david lees babes now We can start with earing if you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I might be wrong, but don't the best players generally tend to force themselves through regardless? The ones who have good enough (Vela, Clough, Holding, Connell, Politic, Darcy) made it through as teenagers and held down a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Casino said: Mate, where are david lees babes now We can start with earing if you like Not saying Lee got a fantastic record but not all bad. Perhaps there’s more I’ve forgot. Turner, newcastle, Darcy one of our better lads Politic starter Holden 2-3 million to Arsenal Vela on loan Shrewsbury clough 3 million to Forest Lavelle captain at Morecambe basham possibly? at Sheffield graham started a few for us senior stared a few for us Connolly Celtic Edited March 5, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 5, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 5, 2020 Firstly, im on about the team that won the league Secondly, vela is 26 So we are talking a range of 10 years And many of em started with us when we were in a much better place to attract players Turner will never be a prem keeper and who is lavelle Anyway, lee is a snivelling little twat, so he couldve found the new messi and id still be happy to see the back of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 5, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 5, 2020 Ahh, sam lavelle A year for us at 20 Not having him, im afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 The scouting has been the problem down the years at Bolton. Players like Dale Stephens, Ashley Fletcher are Born in the town yet they slipped the net, then Craig Dawson was playing for Radcliffe Boro. Then we had Brookes and Ramsdale at b/mouth as kids Them two alone would cost £30m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted March 6, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted March 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said: Won't disagree with that, though there may be an opportunity to engage with a greater number of smaller local companies at League Two level that might have been the case when chasing big corporate bucks in the Championship or Prem. Attract smaller local companies with the promise of ten years with a maximum 5% p.a. increase so that any ambition showed by the club to get back up the leagues doesn't mean these companies are fired off as soon as any successes are seen would be my selling point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 8 hours ago, masi 51 said: The scouting has been the problem down the years at Bolton. Players like Dale Stephens, Ashley Fletcher are Born in the town yet they slipped the net, then Craig Dawson was playing for Radcliffe Boro. Then we had Brookes and Ramsdale at b/mouth as kids Them two alone would cost £30m. Agree on the scouting and player selection you can go back to missing out on Alan Ball and Martin Dobson, it’s always been very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Casino said: Ahh, sam lavelle A year for us at 20 Not having him, im afraid Ok I’ll take that one back but there’s a few million pound of talent Lee has brought through, probably should have done better but I’d think 1 first teamer from each year group would be classed as a success and I’d say Lee has done ok. Let’s see what the new set up brings. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted March 6, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 6, 2020 10 hours ago, masi 51 said: The scouting has been the problem down the years at Bolton. Players like Dale Stephens, Ashley Fletcher are Born in the town yet they slipped the net, then Craig Dawson was playing for Radcliffe Boro. Then we had Brookes and Ramsdale at b/mouth as kids Them two alone would cost £30m. Fletcher first played at Bolton 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted March 6, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 6, 2020 When Craig Dawson was playing at Radcliffe, we were playing in Europe 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Apart from Kevin Davies I cannot think of a player we have signed from another English club whose stock rose once he played for us. Why did we not take a punt on players like Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Robbie Savage , Neil Lennon, Jamie Vardy Danny ings All released or went for next to nothing from local clubs.....You could proberbly add another 30 names on top of those yet we overlooked all these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, masi 51 said: Apart from Kevin Davies I cannot think of a player we have signed from another English club whose stock rose once he played for us. Why did we not take a punt on players like Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Robbie Savage , Neil Lennon, Jamie Vardy Danny ings All released or went for next to nothing from local clubs.....You could proberbly add another 30 names on top of those yet we overlooked all these. Gary Cahill? I suspect the issue is when you're shopping in mid-market price rannges as we did in the premiership days when we spent money there was little value in the English market and we tended to want ready to make an impact players rather than risks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnestTurnip Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Not sure why this has all became about Lee, do the young lads not exist before they get to him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 1 hour ago, masi 51 said: Apart from Kevin Davies I cannot think of a player we have signed from another English club whose stock rose once he played for us. Why did we not take a punt on players like Dean Ashton, Danny Murphy, Robbie Savage , Neil Lennon, Jamie Vardy Danny ings All released or went for next to nothing from local clubs.....You could proberbly add another 30 names on top of those yet we overlooked all these. Vardy was a massive miss, playing locally when we were in the prem could of nicked him for a million he could of made the difference if we’d of signed him, wonder if our scouts had a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Vardy was a massive miss, playing locally when we were in the prem could of nicked him for a million he could of made the difference if we’d of signed him, wonder if our scouts had a look. Plenty of others missed him as well though. For every Vardy, there’s a Sordell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) Freedman could have signed Ings for 750k, but turned the deal down because he didn't want to pay that much! Edited March 6, 2020 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Freedman could have signed Ings for 750k, but turned the deal down because he didn't want to pay that much! Imagine more that he was told not to spend that much...ED was tightening the purse strings then, severely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 4 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: Gary Cahill? I suspect the issue is when you're shopping in mid-market price rannges as we did in the premiership days when we spent money there was little value in the English market and we tended to want ready to make an impact players rather than risks.... yes Gary Cahill and McAteer but our signings from other English clubs has been woefull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, masi 51 said: yes Gary Cahill and McAteer but our signings from other English clubs has been woefull I don't think they have - as said above for every Danny Ings there are probably 25 Marvin Sordell's and its not easy to tell them apart. For a long long time Vardy looked like an error for example. Generally there isn't much value unless you spend a fortune or are hardly spending anything. In the premiership when we were there, spending in the middle range got you the likes of Knight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 In fact I would say going all the way back to Rioch our signings of English players has just not been good enough. Look at Rioch s team Brannigan, Stubbs McAteer, Lee, McGinley,Thomson...walker,coyle and mixu all signed for next to nothing bought to the club and all went at a profit 9 Players who we bought for peanuts and went on to give the club good service..We have not had 9 players do that in the 25 years since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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