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3 hours ago, MickyD said:

Word is, if you get your missus pregnant next week and she goes full term, you're entitled to two weeks paternity leave for the Euro 2020 tournament.

You can have more than 2 weeks 

Shared parental leave now 

I recently had 6, you’d get a full tournament in if you played your cards right 

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9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

You can have more than 2 weeks 

Shared parental leave now 

I recently had 6, you’d get a full tournament in if you played your cards right 

I had two summers off on SPL and neither had a major (men’s) football tournament. Bad planning on my part.

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39 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

Draw is on the 30th.

England are in group D.

Second pot team in the group will be one of France, Poland, Switzerland and Croatia.

Third pot team will be from Portugal, Turkey, Austria, Sweden and Czech Republic.

Tin pot team will be Scotland if they qualify.

France, Croatia and Austria would be a tough group
Are there any scenarios where some countries can’t face certain countries because of locations of anything else?

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3 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

France, Croatia and Austria would be a tough group
Are there any scenarios where some countries can’t face certain countries because of locations of anything else?

Belgium's group is pretty much set - 3 out of 4 teams are already decided, something to do with host nations and Russia not being able to play the Ukraine

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1 minute ago, dave2980 said:

Belgium's group is pretty much set - 3 out of 4 teams are already decided, something to do with host nations and Russia not being able to play the Ukraine

and the fourth team can only be Wales or Finland.

Netherlands are in Ukraine's group. If Romania win through play-ffs they will be in that group, otherwise it will be Georgia / Belarus /North Macedonia / Kosovo.

If Romania don't qualify then Bulgaria / Hungary / Iceland will be in Germany's group, and Georgia / etc will be only be in that group if Romania qualify.

Scotland will be in England's group if they qualify.

(Republic of) Ireland will be in Spain's group if they qualify.

 

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

If Russia can't play Ukraine due to politics, they shouldn't be in the competition

Aye,

Plus Russia & Kosovo

and Serbia & Kosovo

and Spain & Gibraltar

and Armenia & Azerbaijan

Plus probably a few more that I've forgot. Help me out Malc.......

Politics & sport shouldn't mix IMO.

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6 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Think a few of the Balkan states are in a similar situation in the qualifiers, though probably not as many as you’d think. 

From https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/21/footballs-unbreakable-records

“I was having a discussion at work about the most recent round of Euro 2016 qualifiers that included Albania v Serbia, which was the return fixture of the game from last year that was abandoned due to crowd unrest and a drone etc,” writes Jordan Park. “This lead to my colleague stating that he believed that certain national teams are not allowed to play games against each other for political reasons and suggested that, for example, Serbia cannot play matches against Montenegro. While this makes some sense, it does not account for the fact that such rival countries could both qualify for a tournament and reach the final, where they’d have to play each other. We then found that in European football last year, club sides from Ukraine and Russia were not allowed to be drawn against each other in the Champions or Europa League given the situation following the MH17 plane disaster. Are there any other examples of domestic sides in international tournaments or indeed national teams that are banned from playing each other for geo-political reasons?

There are several sides kept apart in European qualifiers. As Jack Mey and Damian Coyle point out Gibraltar and Spain cannot be drawn together, and nor can Azerbaijan and Armenia because of the frosty relations between the two countries.

“The foundation of Israel as a nation state also brought about a similar situation,” writes Philip Kent. “Things reached such a pitch in the first days of the Arab-Israeli conflict – with several Islamic nations refusing to play Israel and thus losing via forfeit – that Israel qualified for the 1958 World Cup without playing a single match. Fifa stepped in and arranged a play-off against Wales … and the rest is history. Israel would also spend a brief time in the 80s playing in the Oceania qualifying group.”

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14 hours ago, Casino said:

If Russia can't play Ukraine due to politics, they shouldn't be in the competition

 

12 hours ago, Escobarp said:

What happens if Russia and Ukraine get to the final? No going to happen but what if it did? Cancelled?

They are separated at the group stage but can meet in the knock-out phase.

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6 hours ago, MickyD said:

From https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/21/footballs-unbreakable-records

“I was having a discussion at work about the most recent round of Euro 2016 qualifiers that included Albania v Serbia, which was the return fixture of the game from last year that was abandoned due to crowd unrest and a drone etc,” writes Jordan Park. “This lead to my colleague stating that he believed that certain national teams are not allowed to play games against each other for political reasons and suggested that, for example, Serbia cannot play matches against Montenegro. While this makes some sense, it does not account for the fact that such rival countries could both qualify for a tournament and reach the final, where they’d have to play each other. We then found that in European football last year, club sides from Ukraine and Russia were not allowed to be drawn against each other in the Champions or Europa League given the situation following the MH17 plane disaster. Are there any other examples of domestic sides in international tournaments or indeed national teams that are banned from playing each other for geo-political reasons?

There are several sides kept apart in European qualifiers. As Jack Mey and Damian Coyle point out Gibraltar and Spain cannot be drawn together, and nor can Azerbaijan and Armenia because of the frosty relations between the two countries.

“The foundation of Israel as a nation state also brought about a similar situation,” writes Philip Kent. “Things reached such a pitch in the first days of the Arab-Israeli conflict – with several Islamic nations refusing to play Israel and thus losing via forfeit – that Israel qualified for the 1958 World Cup without playing a single match. Fifa stepped in and arranged a play-off against Wales … and the rest is history. Israel would also spend a brief time in the 80s playing in the Oceania qualifying group.”

And that final paragraph is why ManU were able to keep going in 1958. While Busby was severely injured at Munich Jimmy Murphy, his assistant, was managing Wales in their match against Israel and so was able to step into the considerable breach.

Those Arabs have a lot to answer for.

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