radcliffe white Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 38 minutes ago, Marc505 said: England v Germany in Dublin fucking hell all police leave cancelled. Flights fook all atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 17 hours ago, ZicoKelly said: Group F looks a right cunt to get out of I do hope Scotland qualify into our group Said on telly all 3 could get through ! Best 3rd place go through FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, snowball said: Said on telly all 3 could get through ! Best 3rd place go through FFS 48 matches played to knock out 8 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted December 1, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, snowball said: Said on telly all 3 could get through ! Best 3rd place go through FFS That's how Portugal scraped through last time, 3 draws and came from behind 3 times v Hungary in the last game before going on to win it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, jeep said: 48 matches played to knock out 8 teams. No. it's 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams, or 48 matches to eliminate 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: No. it's 36 matches to eliminate 8 teams, or 48 matches to eliminate 20. Of course. I was thinking it was 8 groups. Danke Malc 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Who's doing the trains now virgin aren't doing Manc - London? No doubt we'll get shafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, L/H White said: Who's doing the trains now virgin aren't doing Manc - London? No doubt we'll get shafted Avanti west coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 22 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said: Why did they do the draw before knowing who all the competing teams are going to be? So if we win the group we could play France or Germany or Portugal? No easy route to the latter stages for Inglaterra then Bring it on. Not "easy" but probably playing the entire tournament at Wembley apart from 1 game on our doorstep in Ireland is a massive advantage. It feels like we're getting everything in our favour, yes if we win it will be a great achievement but doesn't come close to the achievement of winning a tournament abroad. And the qualifiers were effectively dress rehearsals rather than competitive games, it all feels a bit handed to us on a plate, relatively. Southgate is either going to be regarded as the 2nd greatest England manager of all time, or he's going to be a huge failure if we manage to get ourselves out of the tournament before at least the semi final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said: Not "easy" but probably playing the entire tournament at Wembley apart from 1 game on our doorstep in Ireland is a massive advantage. It feels like we're getting everything in our favour, yes if we win it will be a great achievement but doesn't come close to the achievement of winning a tournament abroad. And the qualifiers were effectively dress rehearsals rather than competitive games, it all feels a bit handed to us on a plate, relatively. Southgate is either going to be regarded as the 2nd greatest England manager of all time, or he's going to be a huge failure if we manage to get ourselves out of the tournament before at least the semi final. Being hosts for the semis and final is obviously an advantage (provided the semis are reached) but you have overstated the case, or rather mis-stated it. Apart from the last 16 match (in Dublin if we win the group) the QF will be in Rome (or St Petersburg or even Munich or Baku). Several other teams will play all their group matches in their own country - Italy, Denmark, Holland, Spain and Germany. If we lose narrowly in the last 16 against France / Germany / Portugal, and that team goes on to win the tournament well, would that be failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 1, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: Being hosts for the semis and final is obviously an advantage (provided the semis are reached) but you have overstated the case, or rather mis-stated it. Apart from the last 16 match (in Dublin if we win the group) the QF will be in Rome (or St Petersburg or even Munich or Baku). Several other teams will play all their group matches in their own country - Italy, Denmark, Holland, Spain and Germany. If we lose narrowly in the last 16 against France / Germany / Portugal, and that team goes on to win the tournament well, would that be failure? Yes. If you've got the favourites tag, you need to prove it correct. Can't keep qualifying comfortably, then not achieving much (world cup excepted obviously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yes. If you've got the favourites tag, you need to prove it correct. Can't keep qualifying comfortably, then not achieving much (world cup excepted obviously). Problem was with that world cup when we played decent opposition we lost three times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: Being hosts for the semis and final is obviously an advantage (provided the semis are reached) but you have overstated the case, or rather mis-stated it. Apart from the last 16 match (in Dublin if we win the group) the QF will be in Rome (or St Petersburg or even Munich or Baku). Several other teams will play all their group matches in their own country - Italy, Denmark, Holland, Spain and Germany. If we lose narrowly in the last 16 against France / Germany / Portugal, and that team goes on to win the tournament well, would that be failure? Malc, there's no such country as Holland. It's the Netherlands.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: Being hosts for the semis and final is obviously an advantage (provided the semis are reached) but you have overstated the case, or rather mis-stated it. Apart from the last 16 match (in Dublin if we win the group) the QF will be in Rome (or St Petersburg or even Munich or Baku). Several other teams will play all their group matches in their own country - Italy, Denmark, Holland, Spain and Germany. If we lose narrowly in the last 16 against France / Germany / Portugal, and that team goes on to win the tournament well, would that be failure? Thanks for the correction, I'm glad weve got an 'overseas' game, if we progress, to make it feel more like a proper tournament. And yes 5 other countries play their group games at home, but those countries would probably qualify if they were played away, never mind on neutral territory. Its the knockout games that really count and we wont be playing away in the semi or final. I'm looking forward to it as much as anyone, but its odd that you normally have one team that plays at home in every game, and the other 23 play every game on neutral territory. So unless the hosts win, which is rare, everyone else has won it "away". This time there will be lots of teams playing many home games, which also means lots of teams playing several away games, eg if you're in Holland's group then end up playing away in Rome or Munich, manage to get through that and its England away potentially. I dont like a non-level playing field because I want to see who the best team is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 48 minutes ago, jeep said: Malc, there's no such country as Holland. It's the Netherlands.... Tell that to the Sunday Times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yes. If you've got the favourites tag, you need to prove it correct. Can't keep qualifying comfortably, then not achieving much (world cup excepted obviously). When, outside of England, have we ever been favourites to win a tournament? We'll do what we always do. Come up short as soon as we meet any quality opponents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Duck Egg said: When, outside of England, have we ever been favourites to win a tournament? We'll do what we always do. Come up short as soon as we meet any quality opponents Seem to remember we were either favourites or joint favourites for Euro88. Our qualifying record was superb including a fantastic 4-1 win in Yugoslavia. Played 3, lost 3 of course, at the Finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Duck Egg said: When, outside of England, have we ever been favourites to win a tournament? We'll do what we always do. Come up short as soon as we meet any quality opponents We're favourites now apparently. Don't do gambling, but if the bookies are putting us up there, then there's usually good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 jesus, i've only just seen those odds massive value down the market, and lay the hell out of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 2, 2019 Moderators Share Posted December 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We're favourites now apparently. Don't do gambling, but if the bookies are putting us up there, then there's usually good reason. there is good reason, but it isnt that we are the best team thats not how bookies set their prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Patriotic blind faith money drives the prices down. England never offer good value at the odds quoted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 2, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Traf said: Patriotic blind faith money drives the prices down. England never offer good value at the odds quoted. Makes sense, but don't other nations' fans also bet on their team, balancing it out a bit? Or is that with different companies? All a bit of a fog to be honest. Never placed a bet in my life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: We're favourites now apparently. Don't do gambling, but if the bookies are putting us up there, then there's usually good reason. As a comparison, if the 4 FA Cup semi finalists were Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Barnsley, and City played Liverpool in semi while Chelsea played Barnsley, the bookies favourites would probably be Chelsea. Not because they are the best team, but that they are the only 1 of the 4 virtually certain to be in the final. England are favourites because its hard to see them not getting to the semi, and if they get there they are at home. But when the semis are known, I'd expect the stronger team in the other match to be favourites given that they will probably have faced some really tough games to get there and of course we always get found out against top sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: England are favourites because its hard to see them not getting to the semi, and if they get there they are at home. But when the semis are known, I'd expect the stronger team in the other match to be favourites given that they will probably have faced some really tough games to get there and of course we always get found out against top sides. If England win the group they will then face France / Germany / Portugal / Brazil (Barnsley) in the next round, so it is easy to see them losing before the quarter-finals. If they are favourites it is because of the amount being placed on them to win, not on their actual merits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 After last night - we cannot win this with Pickford in goal. Simply not good enough in my eyes. Is there anyone better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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