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2 hours ago, Biffo666 said:

Rochdale fans, generally a bitter bunch, respected KH but virtually all saw him as unhinged and a nutjob in the end - he was just irrational and agressive to anyone who did not hero worship him. As stated, I personally found him to be a cnut of the highest order, a very nasty person who liked to ridicule and humiliate others. Think Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now and you get my drift. 

Spoke to a few Rochdale supporters on Saturday in the Cemetary Pub after the game and quite honestly, they wouldn't hear a bad word about him. To many Rochdale fans, KH is the Messiah... still.

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Unless it’s a Fjord

That's shallot Hill. Hopefully.

I hear tales of our players not liking hill

In fact, a few hate him

They are generally not in the team

Its how it works

 

At least that's where I am at the moment

Most of the loanees appeared keen to stay and I can't go off much more than that

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14 minutes ago, Casino said:

I hear tales of our players not liking hill

In fact, a few hate him

They are generally not in the team

Its how it works

 

At least that's where I am at the moment

Most of the loanees appeared keen to stay and I can't go off much more than that

It’s a concern for me, good managers man manage, someone like Rioch wouldn’t have players hating them in similar circumstances because he would respect the player and in turn would get that respect back. I want Hill to be the man to do the job for us but my stomachs churning thinking about it,  I already know he is not what we need. 

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

I hear tales of our players not liking hill

In fact, a few hate him

They are generally not in the team

Its how it works

 

At least that's where I am at the moment

Most of the loanees appeared keen to stay and I can't go off much more than that

most of today's players come across as a bit soft, but Hill's job is to manage and get the best out of them, respect works both ways. I'm seeing no management skills at all from him, just desperation.

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22 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Very good. As we were saying though I reckon turnouts midweek at Blackpool, Shrewsbury and Burton could be interesting now.

Nobody's going to judge us on away followings now.  Blackpool brought about 300 to our place a few years ago in the championship, Derby brought about 500 when they were bottom of Prem (when Stelios scored) and Wolves brought less than 1k on a Saturday the season they went down to Div 1.  I'm fairly sure we've never played a team as far adrift as we are, nobody can criticise if we decide not to go to any more aways.

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He did acknowledge in is interview that he knows some of the players aren’t good enough and it’s it’s job to organise them better . All the goals Last night we’re due to players not marking correctly and sloppy play just giving the ball away . 

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1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nobody's going to judge us on away followings now.  Blackpool brought about 300 to our place a few years ago in the championship, Derby brought about 500 when they were bottom of Prem (when Stelios scored) and Wolves brought less than 1k on a Saturday the season they went down to Div 1.  I'm fairly sure we've never played a team as far adrift as we are, nobody can criticise if we decide not to go to any more aways.

The Derby match was monday and on sky 

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

I hear tales of our players not liking hill

In fact, a few hate him

They are generally not in the team

Its how it works

 

At least that's where I am at the moment

Most of the loanees appeared keen to stay and I can't go off much more than that

I'll bet there's players at Watford that already hate Pearson, and they'll be the ones not in the team.

I don't like (hate is too strong a word for someone I've never met) Pearson from what I've seen of him but he's clearly a good football manager looking at his track record.

My instinct with Hill is that I don't like him, and never liked him from schooldays (same age) through to his time at Rochdale.

However, I'm thinking the reaction to him on here recently is OTT. We were always going down this season especially after the first six games, but Hill put together a side at the last minute that gave us a brief glimpse of hope, that our horrendous injury jinx quickly put paid to.

I'm still getting behind Hill and hoping he may have some of that Pearson magic. This season was a free hit IMO, and this is the case more than ever.

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

I hear tales of our players not liking hill

In fact, a few hate him

They are generally not in the team

Its how it works

 

At least that's where I am at the moment

Most of the loanees appeared keen to stay and I can't go off much more than that

There aren't many in that bracket. 

I can only think of two.

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1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Rioch wouldn’t have players hating them in similar circumstances because he would respect the player and in turn would get that respect back.

Bet that’s bollocks, he just managed in an era when every little thing wasn’t blown up into a drama on social media and dissected at length by folk with fuck all else to do with their time.

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7 hours ago, Biffo666 said:

Was a few years ago, financial advice to club staff and young players, sports injuries and private pensions. KH was obnoxious and belittling. Afterwards one employee came to me and apologised and said KH was a total prick. Never forgot how unnecessarily unpleasant he was just for his own cheap thrill. 
 

Prepared to give him a chance like others but personally  I think he is badly  flawed in personality terms.

That doesnt make good reading.  I admit my initial excitement that he ticked all the boxes for our current situation is a thing of the past.  Bridcutt repeatedly at centre back was no.1 reason, the bizarre treatment of Politic was no.2, his rants and personality disorder no.3, the nonsensical release of Chicksen and subsequent comments no.4 and last night's absolute farce at left back, with Boon nowhere to be seen, is no.5.  I'm happy for him to spend the rest of the season either proving me wrong or digging his own grave.

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2 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I'll bet there's players at Watford that already hate Pearson, and they'll be the ones not in the team.

I don't like (hate is too strong a word for someone I've never met) Pearson from what I've seen of him but he's clearly a good football manager looking at his track record.

My instinct with Hill is that I don't like him, and never liked him from schooldays (same age) through to his time at Rochdale.

However, I'm thinking the reaction to him on here recently is OTT. We were always going down this season especially after the first six games, but Hill put together a side at the last minute that gave us a brief glimpse of hope, that our horrendous injury jinx quickly put paid to.

I'm still getting behind Hill and hoping he may have some of that Pearson magic. This season was a free hit IMO, and this is the case more than ever.

Watford have a good squad of players who were under performing but have turned it around. Can't see many hating him

Players buy into winning formulas. But we don't have that so it's not really comparable 

I doubt long term he is the answer but if he keeps them up then job done. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, enzo gambaro said:

Bet that’s bollocks, he just managed in an era when every little thing wasn’t blown up into a drama on social media and dissected at length by folk with fuck all else to do with their time.

Back then, we went to the pub and chatted shit there instead. Maybe lobbed a few arrows whilst debating.

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2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Watford have a good squad of players who were under performing but have turned it around. Can't see many hating him

Players buy into winning formulas. But we don't have that so it's not really comparable 

I doubt long term he is the answer but if he keeps them up then job done. 

 

 

I'm not making the comparison by the quality of squad.

I'm making it about how their respective personalities are being judged.

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11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There aren't many in that bracket. 

I can only think of two.

Maybe I should've said a couple

And one is back in the team

I hope he's giving out some tough love

Those who come through will be stronger

I was chuffed when we got him

First alarm was when he described the kids as gym bunnies

They're hardly that ffs

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19 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

The Derby match was monday and on sky 

It was Wed 2nd Jan, it wasnt on Sky.  We did our usual thing of not playing on a bank hol so put it back to the following night.  Dont blame Derby fans for not coming but it wasnt on Sky. Still a terrible following for a club getting 30k at home.

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9 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

That doesnt make good reading.  I admit my initial excitement that he ticked all the boxes for our current situation is a thing of the past.  Bridcutt repeatedly at centre back was no.1 reason, the bizarre treatment of Politic was no.2, his rants and personality disorder no.3, the nonsensical release of Chicksen and subsequent comments no.4 and last night's absolute farce at left back, with Boon nowhere to be seen, is no.5.  I'm happy for him to spend the rest of the season either proving me wrong or digging his own grave.

I don't think boons a left back, is he

I also don't think he will see next season

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Just now, Johnnyrotten said:

It was Wed 2nd Jan, it wasnt on Sky.  We did our usual thing of not playing on a bank hol so put it back to the following night.  Dont blame Derby fans for not coming but it wasnt on Sky. Still a terrible following for a club getting 30k at home.

I did a 300 mile round trip for that

That was when I was sensible

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We had Campo, Diouff, Anelka and Stelios playing that night and attendance was 17,014,  so not much more than 16,000 of us.  Amazing really how little our crowds have dropped in the last 12 years when you consider the scale of how far we have fallen and everything that's been thrown at us.

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Bridcutt is kind of key in all this bullshit. KH has said he wants him but it's up to the player. Bridcutt has looked confused since his reinvention as a CB. Does Bridcutt have any faith in the KH vision or not?

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1 minute ago, Burnden Pies said:

"We were too rushed, too slow". Ffs can you imagine the team talk: "you need to be bombing forward while tracking back". No wonder we're a fooking shambles. Loon.

I dunno, I think he’s saying that we’ve been both in different times. It can make sense and could apply to fundamental bad decision making in varying scenarios.

problem is when it’s not going well he needs to be succinct and offer as little as possible

I’ve been mulling this over and I think he may come across as uber confident but it could be a skin as his waffle is consistent with neurotics that over justify stuff. Especially when under pressure. There’s a lot of “extroverts” that do this.

Could be wrong obvs. 

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