Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 Consider this; if the Government announced that the locking up of Lee Rigby's killer was costing the UK tax payer one million pounds a year, and we are looking for some rich philanthropist to sponsor the cost of his stay in jail, they'd probably get nothing. I wonder what response they'd get if they said they were going to execute him but the cost of the executioner was a million and one pound, would there be offers of cash assistance? I think there probably would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'm 100% against the death penalty however if folk choose to dish out their own justice inside, and it takes out the odd serial peado or terrorist, then so be it like this guy https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/14/paedophile-richard-huckle-found-dead-in-prison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I'm 100% against the death penalty however if folk choose to dish out their own justice inside, and it takes out the odd serial peado or terrorist, then so be it like this guy https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/14/paedophile-richard-huckle-found-dead-in-prison Isn't that worse than the death penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Anyone looking on with jealous eyes at the Justice Systems of India and Saudi Arabia, really needs to give their head a wobble. Edited October 15, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: Anyone looking on with jealous eyes at the Justice Systems of India and Saudi Arabia, really needs to give their head a wobble. I don’t think anyone is. I’m looking for a cost on the death sentence though in them countries if anyone can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, royal white said: I don’t think anyone is. I’m looking for a cost on the death sentence though in them countries if anyone can help. Let's say it's free, or only costs whatever they pay the executioner. What's the point you're trying to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Let's say it's free, or only costs whatever they pay the executioner. What's the point you're trying to make? There isn't a point. There is no evidence at all that would suggest any positives from reintroduction of capital punishment. The "but they then get let out" is a straw man argument. People aren't saying release murderers and rapists early or stop them serving life - that isn't an argument for executing them. The only argument is if it acts as a deterrent - it doesn't. If its cheaper in a civilised society - it isn't. If there are some wider societal benefits - nobody can define what these are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: Let's say it's free, or only costs whatever they pay the executioner. What's the point you're trying to make? People are saying it costs more to have an execution then to jail them for life. If it’s free or whatever the executioner is paid then that’s simply not true is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: There isn't a point. There is no evidence at all that would suggest any positives from reintroduction of capital punishment. The "but they then get let out" is a straw man argument. People aren't saying release murderers and rapists early or stop them serving life - that isn't an argument for executing them. The only argument is if it acts as a deterrent - it doesn't. If its cheaper in a civilised society - it isn't. If there are some wider societal benefits - nobody can define what these are. Why is it a straw man argument? What if someone commits murder at 20 and serves say 20 years, would you be happy if, god forbid, the person who murdered your relative was walking the streets at 40? Cracking on with life as normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Latham8WFC Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 Very little information on India as they have relatively few executions, two since 2010. The last person to be executed in India was Ajmal Kasab (One of the Mubai Hotel terrorists). Executed November 2012 at a cost of Rs 53.5 crore. (£5.9m). This was an extremely high profile trial and therefore the costs were considerably higher than the average murder trial, so almost impossible to provide a relevant conclusion and comparison. Saudi Arabia absolutely no clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, royal white said: People are saying it costs more to have an execution then to jail them for life. If it’s free or whatever the executioner is paid then that’s simply not true is it? Is that really the point you're trying to make? "The Saudi's execute people on the cheap, so why can't we?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, royal white said: Why is it a straw man argument? What if someone commits murder at 20 and serves say 20 years, would you be happy if, god forbid, the person who murdered your relative was walking the streets at 40? Cracking on with life as normal? Because the logic of - its dangerous to let criminals out after 20 years therefore we should just kill them is well not logical. Longer sentences or full life sentences or whatever don't require the death penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 That's the cost of the trial though; applicable before the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: Is that really the point you're trying to make? "The Saudi's execute people on the cheap, so why can't we?" Nope. The point is people are saying it’s more Expensive when that’s not really the truth is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, Traf said: Isn't that worse than the death penalty? for who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, royal white said: Nope. The point is people are saying it’s more Expensive when that’s not really the truth is it! It is the truth. Unless you do it the same way Saudi Arabia do it. Edited October 15, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, royal white said: Why is it a straw man argument? What if someone commits murder at 20 and serves say 20 years, would you be happy if, god forbid, the person who murdered your relative was walking the streets at 40? Cracking on with life as normal? If they murdered a relative, then judgement would most likely be clouded by emotion, which is probably not the best way to start in determining a punishment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, DirtySanchez said: If they murdered a relative, then judgement would most likely be clouded by emotion, which is probably not the best way to start in determining a punishment Yes. I agree. Never comfortable seeing bereaved folk outside court being asked by all and sundry about their feeling etc at what must be a truly terrible time. This poor lad who was hit by the American lady. Yes it's a story, and a big one, but it's a bit ghoulish the way the cameras seem to be with the parents, even on the flight. Give them some space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: It is the truth. Unless you do it the same way Saudi Arabia do it. Oh right so we have to do it the American way then do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, royal white said: Oh right so we have to do it the American way then do we? No but their judicial system is a lot more similar to ours than Saudi's!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, royal white said: People are saying it costs more to have an execution then to jail them for life. If it’s free or whatever the executioner is paid then that’s simply not true is it? It does. In America. Which is what I said. You don't believe that a system we reintroduced would be more along the lines of India/Saudi than the USA do you? Hence, I think it's a fair assumption to make that if we reintroduced it here, it would be more expensive than locking the fuckers up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 15, 2019 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, royal white said: Oh right so we have to do it the American way then do we? course not the Saudis base there's on Shariah law, so we can kill bummers and anyone involved in sorcery if you kill someone, you can offer the victims family money, and they can choose whether to accept it, turn it down and have you killed anyway, or, they can even decide to let you get off completely power to the people public beheadings too and its cheap I think it would satisfy a lot of people over here to be honest, except maybe the shariah bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 15, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, royal white said: Oh right so we have to do it the American way then do we? We don't have to do it in any way. Capital Punishment is never coming back. But if it did, you'd rather we introduce something closer to the Saudi system than the American one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Do the executions at large sports stadia around the country. £20 to get in, proceeds towards funding the police & NHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 15, 2019 Members Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Traf said: Do the executions at large sports stadia around the country. £20 to get in, proceeds towards funding the police & NHS You gonna set up the fanzone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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