Plymouth Argyle FA Cup 1st Round

[Mannyroader]

13 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Hope that's something they look at if the teams are available.

Just flicked over to BT, sending Portsmouth to Harrogate on a Monday night fucking hell. Might not even get played yet, weather looks horrendous.

*KO delayed till 2045, Jesus.

26 years is a long time to wait. I blame the FA.

[Marc505]

31 minutes ago, Mannyroader said:

26 years is a long time to wait. I blame the FA.

The fixture congestion this has caused is scandalous

[Johnnyrotten]

7 hours ago, MalcolmW said:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but that is how it was up to 1998. 

As the Conference/National League had been introduced in 1979 it seemed logical that the FA Cup went national from the first round proper. Someone had an Axa to grind.

Before exemption to the third round came in (1925) it was fully national in the whole competition proper, although in the very early years the cup was regionalised.  

Good knowledge, I didnt realise that.  I've been going to 1st and 2nd round cup ties since 1980  (bizarrely Northwich v Wigan was my first, then Bury v Lincoln and Bury v Tranmere).  My first BW early round ties were in 83 at Tranmere then Mansfield home, and we had Wrexham away, Burnley away in the same era, all memorable games.  It hadn't occurred to me this was all regionalised; these cup games seemed like an event, good crowds and atmospheres generally.  I'm sure I wouldnt have picked up such enthusiasm for the cup at a relatively young age if I'd been forced to watch us play Plymouth in front of half the usual home crowd.  The cup's dieing a slow death and the FA is speeding up its decline with these rotten set of fixtures where a local derby is hardly ever seen.  

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Good knowledge, I didnt realise that.  I've been going to 1st and 2nd round cup ties since 1980  (bizarrely Northwich v Wigan was my first, then Bury v Lincoln and Bury v Tranmere).  My first BW early round ties were in 83 at Tranmere then Mansfield home, and we had Wrexham away, Burnley away in the same era, all memorable games.  It hadn't occurred to me this was all regionalised; these cup games seemed like an event, good crowds and atmospheres generally.  I'm sure I wouldnt have picked up such enthusiasm for the cup at a relatively young age if I'd been forced to watch us play Plymouth in front of half the usual home crowd.  The cup's dieing a slow death and the FA is speeding up its decline with these rotten set of fixtures where a local derby is hardly ever seen.  

Season ticket culture has done more for killing the cup than a lot else. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Season ticket culture has done more for killing the cup than a lot else. 

What’s season ticket culture Matt?

I had a season ticket for 19 years and during that time went to I think all league and fa cup games at home. didn’t have an bearing on me that I had a season ticket and I’m intrigued as to why it would put someone off now 

[tomski]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

What’s season ticket culture Matt?

I had a season ticket for 19 years and during that time went to I think all league and fa cup games at home. didn’t have an bearing on me that I had a season ticket and I’m intrigued as to why it would put someone off now 

Good question?

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Games being played at ridiculous times, draw being made in much the same way, lower teams getting there dream draw only to end up facing reserve teams & even championship teams fielding weakened sides in the cause of chasing the Premier League dream have turned the most prestigious Cup competition into an almost irrelevance. 

[Johnnyrotten]

10 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Season ticket culture has done more for killing the cup than a lot else. 

Agreed, the season ticket culture is in my opinion the 2nd big reason for the decline in the cup.  Clearly the premier league (ie money) is the main reason for the decline in knock out cups, a successful season for many is 4th bottom of Prem whilst losing in the first stage of all cups.  Champions League is 3rd reason for me, as there are too many games for the top clubs, ensuring they play a scratch side and send out all the wrong messages.  Yes the cup would be losing its prestige with or without regionalised fixtures, but making the early rounds more fun, with bigger crowds, more money generated and more TV and local interest, might just provide some memories for fans that persuades them to come back next time.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Agreed, the season ticket culture is in my opinion the 2nd big reason for the decline in the cup.  Clearly the premier league (ie money) is the main reason for the decline in knock out cups, a successful season for many is 4th bottom of Prem whilst losing in the first stage of all cups.  Champions League is 3rd reason for me, as there are too many games for the top clubs, ensuring they play a scratch side and send out all the wrong messages.  Yes the cup would be losing its prestige with or without regionalised fixtures, but making the early rounds more fun, with bigger crowds, more money generated and more TV and local interest, might just provide some memories for fans that persuades them to come back next time.

Again.  What is season ticket culture?

 

season tickets aren’t a new phenomenon so why suddenly does having one have a “culture” tag and why does it stop folk going 

[Casino]

Season ticket culture sounds like one in the list that includes not going til megson goes. It's not in Bolton etc etc

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Season ticket culture sounds like one in the list that includes not going til megson goes. It's not in Bolton etc etc

Genuinely interested to know what it is as I don’t suppose it affects your decision to go to cup games at home? How long have you had a season ticket if you don’t mind me asking?

[Marc505]

45 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Games being played at ridiculous times, draw being made in much the same way, lower teams getting there dream draw only to end up facing reserve teams & even championship teams fielding weakened sides in the cause of chasing the Premier League dream have turned the most prestigious Cup competition into an almost irrelevance. 

Just remembered 5th round is being played midweek this season.

[Biggish Dave]

I’d have thought having a season ticket makes you more likely to go to cup ties as you are in the habit of turning up for home games.

I always turn up for FA cup ties at home, league cup a bit more hit & miss but usually do the home games

[Traf]

Just now, Marc505 said:

Just remembered 5th round is being played midweek this season.

What?

[Marc505]

20 hours ago, Traf said:

I've said the same before about regionalisation.

In fact, I think League 1 & 2 should also be regionalised.

I've started to feel the same in last few seasons. I don't think it'd happen but do agree with it, as much as I like cross country trips.

[Marc505]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

What?

Part of the winter break thing, no replays either

http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/dec/18/fa-cup-fifth-round-replays-181218

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

What’s season ticket culture Matt?

I had a season ticket for 19 years and during that time went to I think all league and fa cup games at home. didn’t have an bearing on me that I had a season ticket and I’m intrigued as to why it would put someone off now 

The ‘season ticket culture’ is the inclination of some fans that they’ve paid their money at the start of the season (or ongoing by their Direct Debit) and are then unwilling to pay out for any extra games on top of that, or alternatively commit themselves to the league games and use the cups for ‘time off’. It’s something that often crops up in rugby when even big Challenge Cup games and play off games see attendances that are a fraction of the equivalent league games.

Personally I always attend cup games where possible, but I understand that attending a cup game with a family might mean paying your season ticket direct debit (covering two or three games) and then having to find the equivalent amount again just for one game.   

Admittedly a bit before my time but, from what I’ve read, is that up until probably the early 90s season tickets were only bought by people who wanted a reserved seat, with everyone else simply paying on the gate each week. It meant that people were more in the habit of regularly sticking their hand in their pocket regardless of competition, but also meant there wasn’t the guaranteed number of people in the crowd, aiding the massive variation in crowds throughout the season depending on opposition/form/weather etc. 

[Johnnyrotten]

47 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Again.  What is season ticket culture?

 

season tickets aren’t a new phenomenon so why suddenly does having one have a “culture” tag and why does it stop folk going 

Purely that people go to more games than they otherwise would "I'm going today coz I've got a ticket but I cant really be bothered".  So when the cup comes round the following week (we're at home 3 Saturdays running), its the obvious one to miss.  Simple decision, I bet not one season ticket holder "chose" to miss 1 of the 2 league games but paid to go v Plymouth.  And its not just the cost, its the relative effort of sorting out a ticket, we've got used to just turning up.

S/Ts are a relatively recent phenomenon, coinciding with all seater stadiums.  Crowds at every club used to go up and down week to week upto about 20 years ago, now we all know how big a home crowd is going to be, it doesnt change because 90% of them have S/Ts.

[Leyther_Matt]

Just now, Johnnyrotten said:

Purely that people go to more games than they otherwise would "I'm going today coz I've got a ticket but I cant really be bothered".  So when the cup comes round the following week (we're at home 3 Saturdays running), its the obvious one to miss.  Simple decision, I bet not one season ticket holder "chose" to miss 1 of the 2 league games but paid to go v Plymouth.  And its not just the cost, its the relative effort of sorting out a ticket, we've got used to just turning up.

S/Ts are a relatively recent phenomenon, coinciding with all seater stadiums.  Crowds at every club used to go up and down week to week upto about 20 years ago, now we all know how big a home crowd is going to be, it doesnt change because 90% of them have S/Ts.

Fastest finger first 😀

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

The ‘season ticket culture’ is the inclination of some fans that they’ve paid their money at the start of the season (or ongoing by their Direct Debit) and are then unwilling to pay out for any extra games on top of that, or alternatively commit themselves to the league games and use the cups for ‘time off’. It’s something that often crops up in rugby when even big Challenge Cup games and play off games see attendances that are a fraction of the equivalent league games.

Personally I always attend cup games where possible, but I understand that attending a cup game with a family might mean paying your season ticket direct debit (covering two or three games) and then having to find the equivalent amount again just for one game.   

Admittedly a bit before my time but, from what I’ve read, is that up until probably the early 90s season tickets were only bought by people who wanted a reserved seat, with everyone else simply paying on the gate each week. It meant that people were more in the habit of regularly sticking their hand in their pocket regardless of competition, but also meant there wasn’t the guaranteed number of people in the crowd, aiding the massive variation in crowds throughout the season depending on opposition/form/weather etc. 

Thanks for the answer. I can see what you mean but as casino points out and biggish and you as well it doesn’t seem to me you be, outside of family’s due to costs, a valid reason and is an excuse basically. 
 

I got my first season ticket in 88 for the Burnden terrace and my mates who I went with also. First seated season ticket for me was at the Reebok when we moved 

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Purely that people go to more games than they otherwise would "I'm going today coz I've got a ticket but I cant really be bothered".  So when the cup comes round the following week (we're at home 3 Saturdays running), its the obvious one to miss.  Simple decision, I bet not one season ticket holder "chose" to miss 1 of the 2 league games but paid to go v Plymouth.  And its not just the cost, its the relative effort of sorting out a ticket, we've got used to just turning up.

S/Ts are a relatively recent phenomenon, coinciding with all seater stadiums.  Crowds at every club used to go up and down week to week upto about 20 years ago, now we all know how big a home crowd is going to be, it doesnt change because 90% of them have S/Ts.

So it’s an excuse for some folk. Thanks for clarifying

 

season tickets really aren’t a recent occurance. I and many on here will be able to assure you of that fact   They are I agree more Prevalent for the reasons outlined though. 
 

but having a season ticket should in no way deter someone from goin to a cup game. It’s utter nonsense unless they cannot afford it which is different 

Edited November 12, 2019 by Escobarp

[Leyther_Matt]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Thanks for the answer. I can see what you mean but as casino points out and biggish and you as well it doesn’t seem to me you be, outside of family’s due to costs, a valid reason and is an excuse basically. 
 

I got my first season ticket in 88 for the Burnden terrace and my mates who I went with also. First seated season ticket for me was at the Reebok when we moved 

I think most on here would be considered pretty hardcore to be fair so maybe not representative of season ticket holders as a whole. I know my Mrs generally used to miss early round cup games for no reason other than BWFC already took up enough Saturday’s, but I’ve talked her round since then. 

Would be interesting to see a timeline in terms when season tickets became a more common occurrence. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Leyther_Matt said:

I think most on here would be considered pretty hardcore to be fair so maybe not representative of season ticket holders as a whole. I know my Mrs generally used to miss early round cup games for no reason other than BWFC already took up enough Saturday’s, but I’ve talked her round since then. 

Would be interesting to see a timeline in terms when season tickets became a more common occurrence. 

Probably as outlined more so with the all seater stadiums but I’m damn sure if we could get numbers of our season ticket holders when we got into the premier league for the first time that numbers absolutely rocketed as people didn’t want to miss out. 

[Casino]

38 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Genuinely interested to know what it is as I don’t suppose it affects your decision to go to cup games at home? How long have you had a season ticket if you don’t mind me asking?

Ermmm

Dad bought us one first year in division one

78, was it?

Ever since, I'm afraid

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ermmm

Dad bought us one first year in division one

78, was it?

Ever since, I'm afraid

Cheers 

every year apart from the first year I started going I had one. It was the done thing and cheaper. 

never stopped me attending a cup game or used it as an excuse for not going. 

for me the fa cup is the fa cup always was and always will be special. Season ticket culture or not