ErnestTurnip Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Does anyone have any real idea of what is going on with the dev squad/u23s? I know you can play some (is it 3?) senior players but if you go on any stat sites we seem to have a squad of 5 or less, if you go on our official site we have no u23 players. The u18s are up to date and obvs some of the u23s pop in and out of the first team but just seems odd especially with KH publically ripping em the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted February 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I’d keep Darcy but for me, he’s a number 10. Personally, I reckon Politic is a better number 10. If we could possibly keep Crawford, losing Darcy wouldn’t be huge. Edited February 19, 2020 by Biggish Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: I’d keep Darcy but for me, he’s a number 10. Personally, I reckon Politic is a better number 10. If we could possibly keep Crawford, losing Darcy wouldn’t be huge. No but it would if we could sell him on in a few years for a few million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Casino said: bold - are you saying he was wrong? evidence available says he was spot on line 2, they generally dont have a monstrous ground to pay for line 3, maybe we should with the fucking moaning thats going on Course he was wrong. Go back and read some of his desperate negative shit. He even wanted PP to stay. Mind you, so did you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted February 19, 2020 Iast year he said we had no money and couldnt do things He was right As for Parkinson, i'd prefer he had stayed, we prob wouldn't be going down Same moaning buggers wanting hill out would've been moaning we weren't 10 points ahead of sunderland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I thought we'd made a fair bit out of selling Holding and Clough. £5m? The problem with academy graduates, etc. atm is that we got rid of most of our u-23s at the end of last season. 2 years ago the u23s were a handy team. So we are a bit short of players at that level. I don't think we give players long enough post academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 hours ago, passmosster said: I thought we'd made a fair bit out of selling Holding and Clough. £5m? The problem with academy graduates, etc. atm is that we got rid of most of our u-23s at the end of last season. 2 years ago the u23s were a handy team. So we are a bit short of players at that level. I don't think we give players long enough post academy. There was no point making money from player sales when the cunt at the top was able to pocket the profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted February 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 20, 2020 These decent U23's we had/have - if we put them on a professional contract, I presume they count towards our 23 players under this embargo therefore the only ones worth putting on a pro contract are the ones good enough for 1st team now? A gamble we have to take until next summer is keeping these kids on development deals and hope they don't perform too well before next May otherwise they're off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Surely someone at the club can see even at 16 that the lads a talent, should of signed him long term before we played him in in the first team. Think it’s likely we won’t see him in the white shirt again, never mind we move on. I think you can tell talented players but predicting development is not easy - loads of players look good or exceptional at 16/17 but by the time they're 19/20 have fallen away. Especially at our level. A lad like Darcy you'd have questions about his physicality and ability to step up. Even say Clough who burst onto the scene and looked an absolute star has fallen away seriously since then and whilst he had a pro contract and got a big money move - imagine signing a few like that up on decent deals only for them to not really make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: I think you can tell talented players but predicting development is not easy - loads of players look good or exceptional at 16/17 but by the time they're 19/20 have fallen away. Especially at our level. A lad like Darcy you'd have questions about his physicality and ability to step up. Even say Clough who burst onto the scene and looked an absolute star has fallen away seriously since then and whilst he had a pro contract and got a big money move - imagine signing a few like that up on decent deals only for them to not really make it. I hear you but what do you suggest alternatively? It’s the only option we have from what I can see. I think if Ken hadn’t forced Clough out it would of been very different for what it’s worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, tomski said: I hear you but what do you suggest alternatively? It’s the only option we have from what I can see. I think if Ken hadn’t forced Clough out it would of been very different for what it’s worth. I suggest the alternative is, assuming we keep the academy, and based on being in lower leagues that we get kids involved in the first team quicker to assess their potential and after a while if convinced offer them suitable deals. We're going to win some and lose some as is the case down here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: I suggest the alternative is, assuming we keep the academy, and based on being in lower leagues that we get kids involved in the first team quicker to assess their potential and after a while if convinced offer them suitable deals. We're going to win some and lose some as is the case down here. I’d suggest we’d lose more than we win. We have had terrible owners. I don’t think it means we should give up long term planning consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted February 23, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) Hindsight is easy but I never thought that we’d get somebody to outbullshit Dougie. But we’ve found him. I hope he goes before it gets toxic. Edited February 23, 2020 by Steejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 As much as I have doubts about Hill I’m hoping we can put a run together before the season ends, if we do then I’m prepared to give him benefit of the doubt, if he can’t get a tune out of the squad now the likes of Crawford, Hobbs are back and the Spurs lad due to be involved then it’s time to move on at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted February 24, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2020 I'd like Hill to succeed and I was quite pleased we appointed him to be honest but i'm not seeing any signs of progress. Do we pot him? Not sure on that either. The club seriously needs stability. For me, Hill stays until the end of this season but then FV must make a decision quickly - either back Hill or sack him within days of the season finishing. We have to get our squad together early and hit the season running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: As much as I have doubts about Hill I’m hoping we can put a run together before the season ends, if we do then I’m prepared to give him benefit of the doubt, if he can’t get a tune out of the squad now the likes of Crawford, Hobbs are back and the Spurs lad due to be involved then it’s time to move on at the end of the season. Its a question of whether you trust Hill to get us through the summer with the right decisions. I also question whether the fans need some sort of lift - Hill doesn't seem to be the man to unite the club and create a positive atmosphere all round - he seems divisive. So its a tough one. But I also don't see sacking managers as the way forward. I'll say this - we need some leadership above Hill now. The new DoF/FV need to start talking and telling us what the plans are. Because in the absence of that all we have is Hill talking rubbish clearly being hung out to dry in a difficult position. It feels like the club aren't really behind him. And that creates a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I know we need to be playing ALL those with contracts beyond June 2020..... Hill/Kenyon will know who else is hoping to stay beyond this season and who are trying for a contract extension and those the club will be releasing. These are the players who should be picked from now until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowball Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: As much as I have doubts about Hill I’m hoping we can put a run together before the season ends, if we do then I’m prepared to give him benefit of the doubt, if he can’t get a tune out of the squad now the likes of Crawford, Hobbs are back and the Spurs lad due to be involved then it’s time to move on at the end of the season. I agree Mounts. When we had those two available in November i think we had a reasonable run. Hes had so much shit with having to rebuild another team and the injuries there is a chance we could get a few results with a settled side between now and end of season. Then FV will have a decision in May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I've had enough of the debates and reasoned arguments now. Since I posted the first time we've incredibly only got worse. He's done for me, needs to go now. Use the rest of the season as an extended pre-season and scouting period for the new man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nottm_Wanderer Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Anderson said: I've had enough of the debates and reasoned arguments now. Since I posted the first time we've incredibly only got worse. He's done for me, needs to go now. Use the rest of the season as an extended pre-season and scouting period for the new man. +1 Enough is enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: I'd like Hill to succeed and I was quite pleased we appointed him to be honest but i'm not seeing any signs of progress. Do we pot him? Not sure on that either. The club seriously needs stability. For me, Hill stays until the end of this season but then FV must make a decision quickly - either back Hill or sack him within days of the season finishing. We have to get our squad together early and hit the season running. I agree with your first sentence, and I agree with others that are getting concerned at his shortcomings and his rambling. But I'm struggling to think how, whoever the manager is, we can get our squad together early. Everyone we sign will have to have had a lack of offers from elsewhere. The likes of Mellis may well sign the minute he's offered a contract, given his circumstances. Someone like Chicksen may do too. And for eg O'Grady, Dodoo and Hobbs arent going to be inundated with better offers, either financially or from better teams. But we are going to be waiting till the back end of August before we know who'll agree to join us, and which players other clubs are prepared to loan to us. Added to the fact that Darcy (if he signs) and Politic can be taken away from us with a half decent offer upto 1st Sep. Whoever the manager is will have plenty of reasons/excuses for not hitting the ground running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I've seen no improvement, infact, the performances and the excuses have got worse, i'm not convinced Hill is the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 24, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted February 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Wullie said: I've seen no improvement, infact, the performances and the excuses have got worse, i'm not convinced Hill is the answer I'm convinced he isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 45 minutes ago, Wullie said: I've seen no improvement, infact, the performances and the excuses have got worse, i'm not convinced Hill is the answer If Hill is the answer, what's the fucking question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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