Members Rudy Posted January 20, 2020 Members Share Posted January 20, 2020 Had a chat today with a doctor from Canada and he’s been doing a study on the effects of medical marijuana, he showed me his findings from his subjects after taking it for 12 months. Asthma, Glacuoma, Amorexia, Epilepsy, Arthritis, Alzheimer’s, Crohn's, Parkinson’s chronic pain sufferers all showed positive results across the board. With America and Canada both legalising it, looks like only a matter of time before it’s made legal over here. Good for the economy? Good for the NHS? Good for the crisp aisle in Tesco 😁 Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted January 20, 2020 Members Share Posted January 20, 2020 I know a few folk who swear by it for pain and glaucoma , i would like to see it sold here and properly regulated . Britain / British sugar already grows a huge amount of cannabis but exports it to GW Pharma . (Maybe Non Psychoactive varieties) https://www.edp24.co.uk/business/inside-british-sugar-wissington-cannabis-factory-near-lings-lynn-1-6157803 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 Utilising its benefits in properly administered medicines seems obvious. More research needed to find out what levels of cbd and thc required to treat individual patients but that should come on the back of legalisation. On the subject of epilepsy, obviously of interest to me, a great story on BBC breakfast this morning. https://www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/news/How-post-Twitter-went-viral-raising-thousands-epilepsy-research-20-01-2020#.XiX6oLenzoY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 20, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Utilising its benefits in properly administered medicines seems obvious. More research needed to find out what levels of cbd and thc required to treat individual patients but that should come on the back of legalisation. On the subject of epilepsy, obviously of interest to me, a great story on BBC breakfast this morning. https://www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/news/How-post-Twitter-went-viral-raising-thousands-epilepsy-research-20-01-2020#.XiX6oLenzoY Top story. It’s good that America and Canada are doing it first and we can learn from them. I am interested to see what it has done to their economies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 20, 2020 Moderators Share Posted January 20, 2020 I'd love to go to the shop and buy a couple of pre rolled spliffs on a Friday or Saturday night and not end up with a bag in the house that gets smoked till it's gone I dont know if that's how it'd pan out, but that's what I'd like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 You can legalise the lot for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I'd love to go to the shop and buy a couple of pre rolled spliffs on a Friday or Saturday night and not end up with a bag in the house that gets smoked till it's gone I dont know if that's how it'd pan out, but that's what I'd like This. Oh god this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 20, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 20, 2020 I smoke it now but it’s not always convenient, but if it was legal I think I would probably drink less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Never seen the fascination with it myself. Although certainly can see the medical benefits of it give me a crack pipe anyday though 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Never seen the fascination with it myself. Although certainly can see the medical benefits of it give me a crack pipe anyday though 🙄 Cheese reckons he'll give you a crack when he sees you mate 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Right. Medical cannabinoids. Forget the hype. Do not listen to folk like Chris Evans, Breakfast TV, The Daily Mail, weeping parents with sick children in the media. They are not the “magic bullet” I’ll give you one example. As TMGJ refers to, there is a legalised form licensed for use in epilepsy (from GW Pharma as referenced by burnden) It works, to an extent, in what they call “drop attacks”. A horrific form of epilepsy that affects children where the seizure basically makes the kid drop to the floor and smash their skull. Anyone remember growing up and some kid locally who had to wear a padded hat or helmet and seemed a bit backward? That’s it. That’s the only epilepsy that a cannabinoid has been shown to work for. A tiny percentage. Massively important but a tiny percentage. Unfortunately because it’s “cannabis” the bandwagon jumpers are all over it and the poor Epilepsy Nurse Specialists spend too much time fighting off demanding parents in who’s kids it will never work rather than getting on with their job and treating other kids who need their help This is one of my massive bugbears about the NHS. It’s so often the expectations of the patients/parents that fucks the system up rather than the system itself. Fuelled by daytime TV, the tabloid press and social media Pain, depression, dermatology, types of cancer - there’s always somebody claiming that it’s a miracle cure. It simply fucking isn’t. Non-THC cannabinoids will work in certain limited situations but a lot more research is needed. Until then... DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Two Hats Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Gange is one of the best performing stocks about, if it gets legalised in the UK get your money invested, sell your underpants on ebay and go commando for a couple of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOWTUN BAKED Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I use CBD oil, non-THC for my Arthritis pain. It helps but certainly isn't a cure. Preferably to the side effects of the other painkillers prescribed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Right. Medical cannabinoids. Forget the hype. Do not listen to folk like Chris Evans, Breakfast TV, The Daily Mail, weeping parents with sick children in the media. They are not the “magic bullet” I’ll give you one example. As TMGJ refers to, there is a legalised form licensed for use in epilepsy (from GW Pharma as referenced by burnden) It works, to an extent, in what they call “drop attacks”. A horrific form of epilepsy that affects children where the seizure basically makes the kid drop to the floor and smash their skull. Anyone remember growing up and some kid locally who had to wear a padded hat or helmet and seemed a bit backward? That’s it. That’s the only epilepsy that a cannabinoid has been shown to work for. A tiny percentage. Massively important but a tiny percentage. Unfortunately because it’s “cannabis” the bandwagon jumpers are all over it and the poor Epilepsy Nurse Specialists spend too much time fighting off demanding parents in who’s kids it will never work rather than getting on with their job and treating other kids who need their help This is one of my massive bugbears about the NHS. It’s so often the expectations of the patients/parents that fucks the system up rather than the system itself. Fuelled by daytime TV, the tabloid press and social media Pain, depression, dermatology, types of cancer - there’s always somebody claiming that it’s a miracle cure. It simply fucking isn’t. Non-THC cannabinoids will work in certain limited situations but a lot more research is needed. Until then... DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE So the chap I was speaking to is a specialist doctor and now a research scientist. He did did research on 100 people with no medical issues. Then research on 100 people with medical conditions and they were all categorised depending on what there condition was. They all showed improvement with their Conditions. However they were all specific with their conditions, so I’ve been purposefully vague and it certainly doesn’t cure them and nor should it be taken that it is a cure it isn’t it just helps, but further research is needed. One case of helping someone doesn’t mean it will help everyone. Edited January 21, 2020 by Rudy’s Message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 It’s difficult to make comment on his research without seeing it tbh You can prove anything with a ‘clinical trial’. Just depends on how you set it up Not have a dig at you mate, more at the hype generated by the media which is very unhelpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MancWanderer said: It’s difficult to make comment on his research without seeing it tbh You can prove anything with a ‘clinical trial’. Just depends on how you set it up Not have a dig at you mate, more at the hype generated by the media which is very unhelpful Yeah I get where you’re coming from. There was a little boy wouldn’t have a seizure if he had some of the illegal cannabis oil, the next day every media outlet was calling for every child who has seizures to them have it. I felt a bit heartless saying it but being a medical professional I thought it s not as black and white as that, or as easy for that matter. Yet the media made out that it was. I then thought that’s wrong you’re giving parents the wrong impression and false hope because it won’t be applicable to every child and also the stress And workload it causes for our already stretched NHS nurses and doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Cheese reckons he'll give you a crack when he sees you mate 😂 Cunt couldn’t crack an egg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Rudy’s Message said: So the chap I was speaking to is a specialist doctor and now a research scientist. He did did research on 100 people with no medical issues. Then research on 100 people with medical conditions and they were all categorised depending on what there condition was. They all showed improvement with their Conditions. However they were all specific with their conditions, so I’ve been purposefully vague and it certainly doesn’t cure them and nor should it be taken that it is a cure it isn’t it just helps, but further research is needed. One case of helping someone doesn’t mean it will help everyone. To be fair - a hundred people isn't a huge. And to draw conclusions about such a large group of complex, diverse and multifaceted conditions makes me extremely dubious. And especially seen as those conditions mean people suffer from different types of pain, acute, nerve, tissue etc. Sounds a bit like one of those memes where cannabis has cured cancer and big pharma have 'supressed the findings'. Has he published his findings yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, kent_white said: To be fair - a hundred people isn't a huge. And to draw conclusions about such a large group of complex, diverse and multifaceted conditions makes me extremely dubious. And especially seen as those conditions mean people suffer from different types of pain, acute, nerve, tissue etc. Sounds a bit like one of those memes where cannabis has cured cancer and big pharma have 'supressed the findings'. Has he published his findings yet? Sorry that’s his 100. Part of a team don’t know how many they tested in full. He’s over here to meet with a UK research team who are testing 20,000 people, and he presents his findings to them today For all these testings though there will be individuals who react badly or show no improvements, so the jury is out. I’ll continue to do my own thorough research Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 However you flower it up it will always be a 'gateway drug' for some IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, athywhite1958 said: However you flower it up it will always be a 'gateway drug' for some IMO Same as alcohol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Rudy’s Message said: Same as alcohol And vapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Not a chance, excessive use of alcohol and vapes does not lead to harder drug use, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2020 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, athywhite1958 said: Not a chance, excessive use of alcohol and vapes does not lead to harder drug use, Does anyone do hard drugs after not being on the sauce excessively? No one does Class A drugs and doesn’t drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said: Does anyone do hard drugs after not being on the sauce excessively? No one does Class A drugs and doesn’t drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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