Mounts Kipper Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Traf said: She's not entitled to furlough pay if she does anything related to her work at home Like that ain’t gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, peelyfeet said: Every case we identify early is a win. have a read of this it explains why https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-most-contagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms I’m not saying don’t test people. I just don’t see it as the solution to the medical side of the predicament we find ourselves in. I see it as critical for nhs staff. And then to get people back to work and keep the economy alive. We cannot lose sight of what damage this is doing to the economy alongside the unfortunate number of people who will sadly lose their lives in this. It’s a double edged sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: An interesting point here: employers, schools all need to carry out risk assessments. Much of that means distancing in whatever setting your in, and if it's not possible, then don't do it. Doctor's surgery has removed all but six seats in the waiting room to allow them to be sufficiently far apart. Unfortunately not all are taking such measures; you're right with the mega testing idea, just not going to happen. A question I asked previously; does this virus die out in a theoretical situation whereby everyone isolates for a suitable time period so that they've all had it and got better, died or remained virus free? Or can it lie low in somehow and then kick off again. It would die off - it only passes from humans to humans and cant live outside of a human body for very long - therefore if every person in the world isolated for a few weeks, a lot of the severe cases would die, but it would be gone, as would all other similar viruses. That's not to say we wouldn't get another one in future from a mutated animal virus Edited April 1, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 This is how China did it (as well as welding folk into apartment buildings and generally lying like fuck about the figures)... Interesting viewing. Then consider this.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331 We're never going back to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 1, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, stevieb said: This is how China did it (as well as welding folk into apartment buildings and generally lying like fuck about the figures)... Interesting viewing. Then consider this.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331 We're never going back to normal. Can you imagine being on a train, you have the app, someone gets on and it pings. Someone near you has it in a packed train, or in a queue in Asda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nordkurve Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, HomerJay said: my missus is on furlough, but is being told to do bits from home. should she: a) post dogshit to her employer? b) post her own shit to her employer? c) not involve the post office and just be thankful? 5 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: It would die off - it only passes from humans to humans and cant live outside of a human body for very long - therefore if every person in the world isolated for a few weeks, a lot of the severe cases would die, but it would be gone, as would all other similar viruses. That's not to say we wouldn't get another one in future from a mutated animal virus That would rely on all the Doctors and Nurses to just stay at home though, because it is shown that some of those even with PPE have contracted it. It's not 100% possible to avoid contact with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said: Can you imagine being on a train, you have the app, someone gets on and it pings. Someone near you has it in a packed train, or in a queue in Asda. Almost the same as after 9/11 when an asian with a backpack got on a packed train on commute home from Manchester. Never seen folk so keen to get on the next train home. but I digress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, stevieb said: This is how China did it (as well as welding folk into apartment buildings and generally lying like fuck about the figures)... Interesting viewing. Then consider this.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331 We're never going back to normal. That's Shanghai though, It's beggars belief that they stopped it so quickly in Wuhan.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm coming at it from the availability of enough people to be going round chasing up tens of thousands of potentially infected people. If would take yonks. If feasible, yes it would help, though if people properly isolate and stick to distancing rules, those infected shouldn't be getting to too many others. They have an app that sends a message to any phone that’s been in close proximity to a phone of an infected person. ill try and dig out a link but the technology is there to do it, doesn’t necessarily mean a person has to trace everyone see it’s already been mentioned and discussed, some reason this came up as the most recent when I was replying Edited April 1, 2020 by fatolive . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, only1swanny said: That's Shanghai though, It's beggars belief that they stopped it so quickly in Wuhan.. In wuhan they welded apartments shut so people couldn't get out. Seen video of the welding, people climbing down the apartment, them being reopened and people dead inside. 3k deaths is bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, HomerJay said: my missus is on furlough, but is being told to do bits from home. should she: a) post dogshit to her employer? b) post her own shit to her employer? c) not involve the post office and just be thankful? Telling her is a bit shit Her not offering is as shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 America is in deep deep shit with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 1, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Almost the same as after 9/11 when an asian with a backpack got on a packed train on commute home from Manchester. Never seen folk so keen to get on the next train home. but I digress Saw a guy reading the Quran on the train a few days after the Manchester bombing. It kicked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Germany keeps being mentioned but in reality, they are pretty much the same as the rest of Europe and the US when it comes to number of deaths. There is no magic formula and everyone is learning from each other. It’s not a competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: Telling her is a bit shit Her not offering is as shit my missus is doing it anyway, as she loves her job, and its something to day. her boss is a c**t in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, stevieb said: This is how China did it (as well as welding folk into apartment buildings and generally lying like fuck about the figure Then consider this.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52095331 We're never going back to normal. this is what we need 16 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said: Can you imagine being on a train, you have the app, someone gets on and it pings. Someone near you has it in a packed train, or in a queue in Asda. haha - it wouldn't work like that - it would send you a message after someone had been identified as being positive, telling you when and where you were near them in the recent past - that way you could work out if you were on a train, in asda at the same time as them, or not (e.g. if they just walked past your house) and therefore you could isolate/take more precautions, warn family/friends who you'd been in contact with or ignore it if you knew you weren't in danger at the time. Edited April 1, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Like that ain’t gonna happen. Trafs right, though I aint knocking it, as the govt response on supporting workers has been fantastic But it is too restrictive to be followed to the letter Like i mentioned the other day, we will have to breach the regs to find out if its worth firing up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 The WHO said test, test, test. They deal with these outbreaks all the time. I think its a bit ridiculous to say that SK, WHO and China - all experienced in such outbreaks advocate huge scale testing yet they're wrong. We got caught out unprepared and missed the boat. Its best to just say that than pretend our strategy is deliberate. Just say "we didn't order enough sorry" take the responsibility - because equally take responsibility for getting the lockdown done and keeping many safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 1, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, peelyfeet said: this is what we need haha - it wouldn't work like that - it would send you a message after someone had been identified as being positive, telling you when and where you where near them in the recent past - that way you could work out if you were on a train, in asda at the same time as them, or not (e.g. if they just walked past your house) and therefore you could isolate/take more precautions, warn family/friends who you'd been in contact with or ignore it if you knew you weren't in danger at the time. I prefer my method 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, HomerJay said: my missus is doing it anyway, as she loves her job, and its something to day. her boss is a c**t in my eyes. I dont love my job, but its my responsibility to ensure its still there when we get back Its difficult, because a decent size company furloughing all its staff, then expecting em to work is no better than the one man band taking the hand out then topping it up I think chasing money for an hour ir two, paying wages, paying bills, we should be alliwed a little bit of scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted April 1, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: The WHO said test, test, test. They deal with these outbreaks all the time. I think its a bit ridiculous to say that SK, WHO and China - all experienced in such outbreaks advocate huge scale testing yet they're wrong. We got caught out unprepared and missed the boat. Its best to just say that than pretend our strategy is deliberate. Just say "we didn't order enough sorry" take the responsibility - because equally take responsibility for getting the lockdown done and keeping many safe. I was going to ring the WHO, but i remembered we have you Why did this one find its way here, when previous asian 'flus' didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: I was going to ring the WHO, but i remembered we have you Why did this one find its way here, when previous asian 'flus' didnt You mean SARS? SARS killed something like 20% but was not as infectious - cos it couldn't bind to cells so well. Plus it caused severe illness so easier to find all cases. Sobering thought - one genetic mutation to switch the cell binding protein of COVID-19 into SARS and you've got a death rate 20 times this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, burnden said: Why are our recovery rates static? Not been updated at all. In line with my thoughts early today. If they don’t maintain the stats; why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted April 1, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Casino said: I dont love my job, but its my responsibility to ensure its still there when we get back Its difficult, because a decent size company furloughing all its staff, then expecting em to work is no better than the one man band taking the hand out then topping it up I think chasing money for an hour ir two, paying wages, paying bills, we should be alliwed a little bit of scope fur enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nordkurve Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Germany keeps being mentioned but in reality, they are pretty much the same as the rest of Europe and the US when it comes to number of deaths. There is no magic formula and everyone is learning from each other. It’s not a competition. In Europe: Holland, France, Belgium, Andorra, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, UK, Monaco, Sweden, Ireland, Austria, Channel Islands (UK), Denmark and Portugal ALL have a higher Death Rate per million people than Germany. So it's not really pretty much the Same. Some of those Countries have a death rate several times higher per million and some many many times higher per million. Also, Germany is reporting everyone who died with Covid-19 as having died because of Covid-19, even IF they had underlying Medical conditions. Other Countries are not all doing that. Edited April 1, 2020 by Nordkurve spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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