Coronavirus

[peelyfeet]

7 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Which was always going to be the case. Personally i thought we implemented lockdown at the right time, 1 week earlier like some are saying wouldn't have had any less or more of an impact, but i am no expert, im just going off the disruption at the time regarding schools and business and that the Govt where looking to how close Easter was feasible.

Well, theres evidence that shows several countries that locked down earlier into the extent of their community spread are relaxing restrictions at an earlier stage than we will, with dramatically less deaths. Whether this will be wise in the long term is yet to be seen. It's going to be a long game this, so we'll have to see how it pans out.

[only1swanny]

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Well, theres evidence that shows several countries that locked down earlier into the extent of their community spread are relaxing restrictions at an earlier stage than we will, with dramatically less deaths. Whether this will be wise in the long term is yet to be seen. It's going to be a long game this, so we'll have to see how it pans out.

This is what people don't get.

Some arguing their rights are infringed by being on lockdown.. some saying that lockdown isn't strict enough..

Some saying the herd immunity was a terrible idea, then mentioning that other countries are having second waves..

All we can do is follow the rules and wash out hands.

That and blame Carol Baskin. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Well, theres evidence that shows several countries that locked down earlier into the extent of their community spread are relaxing restrictions at an earlier stage than we will, with dramatically less deaths. Whether this will be wise in the long term is yet to be seen. It's going to be a long game this, so we'll have to see how it pans out.

Exactly 

[Ghana White]

It seems to me that the government dithered and was pushed into quarantine when businesses and people in general started to do it. Thousands of deaths could have been avoided. I've been really disappointed with their reaction to this on a health front, history will be the judge.. I'm no expert but economically I feel quite confident and I've been impressed, it's a world shitstorm but they're pushing on.

[Sweep]

12 minutes ago, Ghana White said:

It seems to me that the government dithered and was pushed into quarantine when businesses and people in general started to do it. Thousands of deaths could have been avoided. I've been really disappointed with their reaction to this on a health front, history will be the judge.. I'm no expert but economically I feel quite confident and I've been impressed, it's a world shitstorm but they're pushing on.

Decent post that

[Ani]

33 minutes ago, Ghana White said:

It seems to me that the government dithered and was pushed into quarantine when businesses and people in general started to do it. Thousands of deaths could have been avoided. I've been really disappointed with their reaction to this on a health front, history will be the judge.. I'm no expert but economically I feel quite confident and I've been impressed, it's a world shitstorm but they're pushing on.

The scientist types in the briefings have basically said ‘we made the decisions at what we thought were the right times at the time. Not until this is all over will we know if those calls were right.’ 
 

We need to remember this is an ever changing scenario and the impact of second waves and what happens as lock down is relaxed will be influenced by this initial stage. History will judge unfortunately hindsight will 20/20 so decisions made for all the right reasons may haunt people. 

[Ghana White]

I accept all that but evidence from history and America during the Spanish flu and from contemporary  events showed that large scale meetings would be a terrible idea, the government seemed convinced that the british wouldn't lockdown until they actually did, then they introduced it. We followed herd immunity until the full horror of the plan occured to them. Johnson actively went out to catch coronavirus and advised others to do the same, some of whom will be dead today. We were privy to information regarding PPE and ventilators but turned our backs on it for ideological reasons. I can see what your saying that in time before a vaccine (if there is one) it may be of some use that we have a population with higher numbers of immunity (if that exists) so as to temper the second wave but I'm troubled by a lot of the decisions and more importantly non decisions the government has made. 

[Boby Brno]

3 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

It isn't up to the stock controller at Townleys to be watching Sky news and thinking they should order more gowns because there's a new epidemic in China.The govt should be advising the NHS on those things.The problem has been that the govt didn't start taking it seriously until mid March and by then it was too late to order enough gowns to avoid a shortage

 

I doubt it’s down to the ‘stock controller’ I’m sure there are well paid procurement officers in charge of such things. It was obvious in February the scale of this crisis. 
The government has provided 7 new Nightingale hospitals and guaranteed the earnings for the vast majority of the working population. That’s what governments do.

Perhaps someone employed within the NHS responsible for purchasing this equipment should attend the 5 o’clock briefing with the other specialists.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Boby Brno said:

I doubt it’s down to the ‘stock controller’ I’m sure there are well paid procurement officers in charge of such things. It was obvious in February the scale of this crisis. 
The government has provided 7 new Nightingale hospitals and guaranteed the earnings for the vast majority of the working population. That’s what governments do.

Perhaps someone employed within the NHS responsible for purchasing this equipment should attend the 5 o’clock briefing with the other specialists.

😲

[Guest]

Just caught up with Chris Green on the matter

[Spider]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Just caught up with Chris Green on the matter

And......

[Casino]

He knew less than iles

[Rudy]

Crikey that’s saying something 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

And......

From a science background and career, his view is to stick with the science.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Boby Brno said:

I doubt it’s down to the ‘stock controller’ I’m sure there are well paid procurement officers in charge of such things. It was obvious in February the scale of this crisis. 
The government has provided 7 new Nightingale hospitals and guaranteed the earnings for the vast majority of the working population. That’s what governments do.

Perhaps someone employed within the NHS responsible for purchasing this equipment should attend the 5 o’clock briefing with the other specialists.

The NHS run to a budget allocated by the Government. The Budget of the NHS has been squeezed ( no need to post MPS cheering when pay rise was rejected). 
To say they should have gone out and bought millions of items at a time when there has hardly been enough money to keep things going is illogical. 
The reality is that every government and health system in the world did not have the resources stockpiled and to now pin the blame on one element of the chain is unfair. Ultimately the Government sit at the  top of the pile. 
Let’s remember that today’s story has been driven by the UNITE union not the BMA. They are questioning the advice which has come from the industry regulatory body in terms of using the PPE. 
 

I just the debate is not becoming political and the people on the front line are pawns in that discussion. 

[Sweep]

Sadly another 888 today

[Spider]

Grim. Creeping back up.

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

Sorry Spider - I missed this last night. The hospital is still quieter than it's ever been. But those that are sick are very sick. And there are a lot of them.

My brother is a nurse up in Inverness. Thought you might appreciate this wee tune he put together.
 

 

[Boby Brno]

27 minutes ago, Ani said:

The NHS run to a budget allocated by the Government. The Budget of the NHS has been squeezed ( no need to post MPS cheering when pay rise was rejected). 
To say they should have gone out and bought millions of items at a time when there has hardly been enough money to keep things going is illogical. 
The reality is that every government and health system in the world did not have the resources stockpiled and to now pin the blame on one element of the chain is unfair. Ultimately the Government sit at the  top of the pile. 
Let’s remember that today’s story has been driven by the UNITE union not the BMA. They are questioning the advice which has come from the industry regulatory body in terms of using the PPE. 
 

I just the debate is not becoming political and the people on the front line are pawns in that discussion. 

I doubt money was the problem in these circumstances considering the amount being splashed about. My point about having a procurement specialist at the press conference was to give some clarity to the problems (problems that are worldwide). 
3 weeks ago it was all about ventilators. It now seems that we have enough and more are in the pipeline. With PPE, it’s an ongoing problem as they are a consumable item. It’s not about the 400,000 coming from Turkey. (about 3 days worth?) Regular supplies have to be sourced from existing and new suppliers. 
Someone dealing with the problem would be able to give a better answer than a politician.

[birch-chorley]

NHS Procurement can only go so far 

A global run on PPE has created a worldwide shortage of the stuff so it becomes a priority for senior government to deal with it just like all the other capacity restrainers (ventilators, beds, staff, testing) 

I’m sure the government are trying to secure finished goods or RAW materials to make PPE here if it comes down to it and right they should, it’s the job of government at times like this 

If WW3 kicked off and we were short of bullets then it wouldn’t be left to a handful of procurement people in the MOD, it would go to the very top 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Fucking clever bastard that Mr Green 😁

I pointed out to him that there are people who know better than the scientists, but to no avail

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

11 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I pointed out to him that there are people who know better than the scientists, but to no avail

Fan5? 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

At least he is in his constituency, i am assuming he is.

I met him once at work and tbf he seemed alright, better than that dim bint Yasmeen Quershi, mind you that doesn't take much.

He was walking to Asda at Middlebrook 

For essentials, presumably 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Fan5? 

Missing him, that’s for sure

[snowball]

14 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Missing him, that’s for sure

missing him like i would back pain toothache gall stones and migraines