Campos_Wig Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 26, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 26, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Shes got the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizio Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, Campos_Wig said: I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy You actually think this thing is a massive conspiracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Morizio said: You actually think this thing is a massive conspiracy? Judging by what I'm reading on Facebook - plenty of people do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Judging by what I'm reading on Facebook - plenty of people do! 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Conspiracy theories were more fun when they just in the dingy corner of the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 My favourite phrase I've seen so far is its a Plandemic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted April 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said: Yeah, i've been sceptical that the scientists are used because they are great scientists rather than they will say what Tory HQ wants them to say. It seems there is some division in the Tory camp now with Hancock and Raab wanting to extend the lockdown putting health first whereas the smooth talking Chancellor is keen to get people back to work at the expense of more lives.I'm with Hancock and Raab.Boris is a loose cannon I wouldn't be that surprised if he fucks politics off and resigns "due to health reasons" in the next few weeks.He didn't sign up for a solemn role overseeing a national disaster, he wanted to act the baffoon in the Commons, open factories and have the weekends off to have fun with his blondes in the country.HIs comments when he was a journalist show he hates Scousers as much as the most rabid manc so he's not all bad just not a serious PM Aye. Murderous bastard. Can't take utd fans remotely seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Campos_Wig said: I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year Good lord.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted April 26, 2020 Author Members Share Posted April 26, 2020 59 minutes ago, deane koontz said: Conspiracy theories were more fun when they just in the dingy corner of the internet. Aye, with some redneck in a bunker with a generator, stack of porn and a 1000 tins of beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 10 hours ago, jeep said: There's little chance of social distancing in Wirstroms in Gamla Stam. Like being in a sardine tin.... They're having a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Aye, that's the one! Not the biggest bar in the world. Had a few good nights in there over the years.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Replying to @ProfKarolSikora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Campos_Wig said: I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy If it's just the flu it would be over by now. Flu stops killing people in spring. 2 weeks ago we had the most deaths ever recorded for a week in April. 8k more than normal, it will be higher for last week when the report comes out on Tuesday. The mistake those docs have made is measuring a small sample of population in a lockdown situation, extrapolated out and compared against flu in a non lockdown situation. I'm sure you'd get similar results if you extrapolated Bolton stats out for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 A better (and earlier) lead indicator of cases is the daily change in Covid-19 hospital inpatients shown above; and an even earlier lead indicator is the number of potential patients calling 111 or 999 (or using 111 online) reporting Covid-19 symptoms, which has been in sharp decline for weeks now including among the most vulnerable age-group: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Not seen the data since Friday but encouraging signs from the hospital from last week too. The danger is now that people get complacent. The virus is still out there and if we mismanage the next couple of weeks it's got the potential to come roaring back. Still struggling to see how we can avoid peaks and troughs until we reach herd immunity or a vaccine though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 The decisions on coronavirus strategy are ultimately about the economy vs number of deaths - purely actuarial. Ultimately they have to decide how many people they are willing to be allowed to die and how that number balances against the detrimental effects of having the economy locked down. In many respects it's a tough decision for any Government to have to make (obviously apart from Cummings who would kill everyone to keep the economy and his grip on power going) and I think folk will accept that it's a tough decision - providing that they are honest with us. Personally I don't believe they are being honest. I think the key criteria they are applying to coronavirus strategy is not so much deaths, but "being seen to have been shown in a positive media light". That includes presenting only information that supports their chosen actions and actively playing down or undermining information that doesn't. With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said: The decisions on coronavirus strategy are ultimately about the economy vs number of deaths - purely actuarial. Ultimately they have to decide how many people they are willing to be allowed to die and how that number balances against the detrimental effects of having the economy locked down. In many respects it's a tough decision for any Government to have to make (obviously apart from Cummings who would kill everyone to keep the economy and his grip on power going) and I think folk will accept that it's a tough decision - providing that they are honest with us. Personally I don't believe they are being honest. I think the key criteria they are applying to coronavirus strategy is not so much deaths, but "being seen to have been shown in a positive media light". That includes presenting only information that supports their chosen actions and actively playing down or undermining information that doesn't. With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative. So based on your last paragraph fair to say you will not have a totally balanced view. Cummings has been quite ill with the virus apparently which I think is a good thing he has not been involved as I do think he is a real cunt. if ever the phrase ‘lies.damned lies and statistics’ was relevant now is the time. I have seen various reports all stats based today that show the picture is a lot worse than the govt say and just as many saying it is nowhere near as bad. Example is the FT report Tom quoted. (Or was it ST ?). They are using total average deaths. If you use the YTD figure the picture is actually not to bad. That is influenced by the fact in first 3 months of year deaths were low. So the report is ignoring those 3 months because it makes the picture worse. Other people on Twitter use the full year to show things are not bad but they ignore fact reports are a couple of weeks behind so before the virus spiked. Ultimately as discussed before it will only in a few months time will we really know what worked and what did not. If not longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 interesting data-driven visualisations https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, jules_darby said: interesting data-driven visualisations https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg Pubs open 1st June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: Pubs open 1st June? Ace! 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/virologist-christian-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview Interesting read from a German expert, including a positive view of our direction of travel on testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) I shouldn't have posted this, I'll explain next week. Nothing major. Edited April 26, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunnerFan Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) It's a positive view of our direction of travel on testing in the UK?! Have you read it or did you not get past the fact that it was The Guardian? 🤔 Edited April 26, 2020 by RoadRunnerFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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