Coronavirus

[Casino]

Just now, Traf said:

Helps the Govt get to 100k tests a day, nothing else.

 

Fortunately, I'm not a cynic

But you get tested, your result is negative but by that time you could be positive

They're only of any use to people who have got it

Which, I suppose, is a start

[Traf]

I've said this all along.

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

The major factor for the scale of deaths in this mini peak is down to the timing and stringency of restrictions and the methods used to track, trace and isolate cases,  from the date that community spread was present in the population,  for definite. 

Population age, density etc are also contributory factors, but less so.

We were always going to get it early because of London transport links to China and Europe.

I've no doubt that there's going to be poor countries that vastly surpass the western death rates, because they don't have the money or the infrastructure to stop long term spread.

It's a long battle, we've been attacked early, and we were too slow at first, but we've got ourselves into a better position to fight back now and we've got resources and infrastructure to continue to fight for much longer than most of the world.   

  

 

 

 

Don't disagree with any of that really. I will say, for anyone who thinks I'm just slagging the government off for the sake of it, I actually have some faith that we're getting on the right track. But most of the things we're going to do to stop a second peak, are a direct indictment of our efforts first time around. 

And I'd have a lot more faith in them if they didn't insist on trying to argue black is white on a daily basis. Matt Hancock's first few answers on LBC this morning were embarrassing for the poor bloke.

[peelyfeet]

30 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Don't disagree with any of that really. I will say, for anyone who thinks I'm just slagging the government off for the sake of it, I actually have some faith that we're getting on the right track. But most of the things we're going to do to stop a second peak, are a direct indictment of our efforts first time around. 

And I'd have a lot more faith in them if they didn't insist on trying to argue black is white on a daily basis. Matt Hancock's first few answers on LBC this morning were embarrassing for the poor bloke.

We were too slow, and the message was garbled a bit at the beginning, but we also had bad luck, and China didn't help by lying. Brexit, new cabinet, and labour party leadership took everyone's eyes off the ball in winter, without them I think we would have acted earlier.

Too late now, a couple of weeks earlier on the restrictions would have helped a lot I think, but that's for review at the end.

I took interest in this early on because I had a mate who was in Wuhan for a week in December, developed "flu" in early Jan, and I have a son that went on a school trip to Rome end of Feb. 

I did some research as I was worried about him going. I was dead against it, had meetings with school about it, but he still ended up going.

They got out of Italy one day before they banned normal flights. He had to self isolate for 2 weeks initially, then 5 days later they changed the advice to only isolate if you have symptoms. 

There were kids that developed symptoms after they came back

None were ever tested. Crazy

[Not in Crawley]

Well, all the companies round us and indeed ourselves were two weeks ahead of the government with closing down, because the staff/clients from elsewhere and our other locations.

 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

Fortunately, I'm not a cynic

But you get tested, your result is negative but by that time you could be positive

They're only of any use to people who have got it

Which, I suppose, is a start

must be more to it

Germany and S Korea went in heavy on testing and they are doing well in keeping numbers down

 

[Casino]

5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

must be more to it

Germany and S Korea went in heavy on testing and they are doing well in keeping numbers down

 

South Korea have seen at all before and knew what to do

They had that proximity app

Germans locked down and they do as they are told in Germany

 

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

 

I'm with the Government all the way, i am no expert so i listen to their experts and follow their advice, its all we can do, lets hope Lockdown starts to recede and we can all get back to some normality.

But the government aren't experts, they're politicians ffs

For every expert they listen to, there's an expert saying something different

It might be the govts are the best most beautiful experts in the world, but then again, they might not

So, even if you believe they have taken the advice of their chosen experts, it doesn't mean you have to swallow the whole load

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

13 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

must be more to it

Germany and S Korea went in heavy on testing and they are doing well in keeping numbers down

 

The key with testing is not how many tests are done but how early the testing process begins, and also how well-targeted the testing is i.e. aggressive contact tracing. As of last week, Italy had carried out over twice as many tests as South Korea had (both in terms of the actual number and per million of their respective populations) yet South Korea's efforts to contain the transmission have been much more effective. Similarly, Germany had tested at roughly the same rate as Italy but ended up with very different results.

[Casino]

Fair enough, you follow the rules as do i

I'll support them in that, however, I retain the right to be questioning of the back slapping that's going on

I don't think they've done a good job, unless 5/10 is good

They say what we want to hear, make promises they think we want to hear

And I'm pretty sure they think they can keep the promises, but they haven't researched things before making the promises

So I don't think they're particularly bad people, I just don't think they and/Or their advisors are very good

Just an opinion, mind 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

A breakdown of when deaths occur compared to when they're reported.

It's difficult to take much from it I suppose, other than the downward curve being slow.

[Ruba Mustafa]

I don’t really see how u can criticise our government when the governments of some other countries have been far less organised (Sweden?) yet seem to have a better performance.

fwiw I really don’t think u can compare countries performance in this way due to methods of reporting, timings, strain virulence, quality of media reporting, etc.

[stevieb]

7 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said:

I don’t really see how u can criticise our government when the governments of some other countries have been far less organised (Sweden?) yet seem to have a better performance.

fwiw I really don’t think u can compare countries performance in this way due to methods of reporting, timings, strain virulence, quality of media reporting, etc.

Sweden have been very organised. They took the route of herd immunity with social distancing but where possible the economy cracks on. 

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A breakdown of when deaths occur compared to when they're reported.

It's difficult to take much from it I suppose, other than the downward curve being slow.

134, 181

[Ruba Mustafa]

3 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Sweden have been very organised. They took the route of herd immunity with social distancing but where possible the economy cracks on. 

No offence fella but that is absolute bollocks.

dont believe the media spin on that for one minute.

 

 

[little whitt]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

Test centre being created at the Reebok

 

Still very doubtful about the value of such tests to be honest

just been past got 3 on the hotel carpark

[stevieb]

51 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said:

No offence fella but that is absolute bollocks.

dont believe the media spin on that for one minute.

 

 

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Edited April 28, 2020 by stevieb
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[stevieb]

42 minutes ago, Ruba Mustafa said:

No offence fella but that is absolute bollocks.

dont believe the media spin on that for one minute.

 

 

Just going off that Swedish expert video that was posted on here 3 weeks ago. Nowt else.

Really trying to limit my media intake as its gone fucking stupid the last month or so. 

I look at the graphs on the FT and try and read the opinions of those who work in health care on here and that's it. 

[jeep]

I think Traf mentioned earlier that what's the point of testing if you've not got it, but then can get it later on. I think Casino agreed with him. I could be wrong.

So, the point of testing is to see who has got it. Then that person/persons can be isolated to stop them spreading the disease, therefore less people will get the disease.

That is the point of testing.....

[Rudy]

[Jol_BWFC]

3 hours ago, Traf said:

Helps the Govt get to 100k tests a day, nothing else.

As does deciding that millions of people will be eligible for testing -  but only from Wednesday. There have been reports of under-utilised testing centres, which could have been carrying out many more tests. 

The cynic in me thinks everything is designed to hold people back and then create a surge on 30 April, just in time to hit their target.  Panic buying replaced by panic testing. 

[Alf Hartigan]

6 minutes ago, jeep said:

I think Traf mentioned earlier that what's the point of testing if you've not got it, but then can get it later on. I think Casino agreed with him. I could be wrong.

So, the point of testing is to see who has got it. Then that person/persons can be isolated to stop them spreading the disease, therefore less people will get the disease.

That is the point of testing.....

But you only have it for 7-10 days is the point they are making

[Tombwfc]

2 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Embarrassing answers to embarrassing questions, its become tit for tat, journos and Media v Politicians, the Government seem to have had enough and thats showing through in some of their answers, they look tired of it all, hence why these briefings need to be every 48 hours at the most.

I'm with the Government all the way, i am no expert so i listen to their experts and follow their advice, its all we can do, lets hope Lockdown starts to recede and we can all get back to some normality.

 

What do you think was embarrassing about the questions? When asked about the report from the Royal College of Physicians which said 1 in 4 doctors were having to re-use single use PPE, he spoke of actually what a success it is that they've come up with a clever way which means that's fine. 

Then he point blank refused to accept to a caller who's dad had died after speaking about the lack of PPE, that there had been any mistakes made, at any point, at all. Rambled on with a prepared bit of filibustering about funerals.

The guy's got an awful job, and must be knackered, but he's got to do better than telling people its raining when the government have pissed on their legs.

[Jol_BWFC]

4 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

44, 48

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Absolute perfection that.