Coronavirus

[ErnestTurnip]

I was firmly in the pissheadery club yesterday so haven't read owt yet, was there any mention of pulling the rug from under the furlough scheme and was there any mention of PPE for schools ?

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Although to be fair, you have been slagging wee Jimmy Crankie off as much as (if not more than) others have been doing to Boris. Does that mean they can criticise you for your approach and call you a hypocritical screecher?

No as I think she’s Got it wrong as per my posts about restating the economy. But she makes the rules for me so I need to stick to them and follow her guidance. 
 

I disagree with how she goes about things in general and her motivation. 
 

So for balance can you point me to one post this morning since the rules have diverged where I have criticised her sticking to the initial rules? Because if I had done so then you could call me a hypocritical screecher. 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Escobarp

[Roger_Dubuis]

3 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

I was firmly in the pissheadery club yesterday so haven't read owt yet, was there any mention of pulling the rug from under the furlough scheme and was there any mention of PPE for schools ?

No mention of either but you need to stay alert

[Not in Crawley]

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

People who have migrated from elsewhere to live in the Lake District are almost always the worst kind of cunt.

”Leave our beautiful area alone”

”Thousands will turn up”

They act like they own the fucking place.

Heres a thing, if you don’t want to live in an area of natural beauty that attracts millions every year, move somewhere else you snotty cunts.

I say we all go up there today and have a picnic on their doorsteps.

 

Couldn't agree more, unless you're a farmer the Lake District survives on tourism - outdoor pursuits, camping, walking, boating etc I bet those in Grassmere who own places like the gingerbread shop want people back (although not sure about physical distancing in that shop!) 

In the word's of Woody Guthrie - this land is your land, this land is our land.... I promise I won't pitch my tent in their back garden. In turn, when they visit London, don't go on the tube from 8-10 or 5-7 either carrying a suitcase or wearing a bemused look unless you want to be unceremoniously elbowed out of the way.

What about all the other tourist cities likes Edinburgh? Its not just an issue confined to rural places. Admittedly, no one is queuing up to spend the day in Lewisham...but still!

[Zico]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Exactly

Funny how people are epidemiologists, but can't understand "be alert"

I just think it's too vague at a time when folk need clarity

be alert of an invisible virus? can't see it working consistently

as gonzo said:

"Just use your loaf. "
"Asses the situation yourself instead of waiting for some guy on the telly what you can and can’t do. "

BJ has basically just handed over the responsibility of the spread to the people

everyone's loaf works in a different way - as shown by Wales, NI and Scotland

nowt changes as far as how our household is concerned, I just feel for those who are going to try and carry on like before but now have nobheads, using their loaf,  imposing their chosen lifestyle on them

[Zico]

11 hours ago, Casino said:

I wonder if anybody can answer thus

Definitively, not a guess please

Ive got some lads back from tomorrow, so no longer furloughed - one or two would much prefer to be on the 80% and thats a fact

One of em starts coughing tomorrow night, i presume hes off back home?

So, is he on SSP or am i expected to stick him back to furlough, to be replaced by another lucky chap

I ask as we are a manufacturer who only stopped because of staff isolating and customers closing down

another question

can you have some folk back working full time and paid accordingly - whilst having some still furloughed who can't make it in - e.g. child care?

or is it all or nothing?

[ErnestTurnip]

You can have some in working and some furloughed.

 

[Not in Crawley]

Its the public transport thing for me, I'm 10 miles from King's Cross and my office but no way can I drive in - congestion fee, parking fees (even if you can find a spot) would just make it a nightmare. The trains are Thameslink which is modern and spacious but who the hell is going to enforce distancing. As soon as you get to Peckham (4 stops down) its totally rammed, our stop is the last one where there is even a possibility of a seat.

As for the tube, not a hope in hell you can police it, same with buses. London relies on public transport for its whole infastruce, and when I say London I mean most of the home counties who commute in. Its either the younger staff (who live bang centrally in shitty house shares) or the super rich (who can afford homes in zones 1 & 2) who can walk or bike. 

I just can't see how London will cope.

[Youri McAnespie]

Right, I'm confused by all this and I'm dead clever so god help all those with pigshit for brains...

The nextdoor neighbour's daughter's boyfriend is coming around to rattle her, they're planning to stay alert by doing it in the backgarden and using a nob extension he's improvised using some empty tinfoil tubes, insulating tape and pack of twelve durex. There's no doubt that conforms to the new guidelines but...

After they've finished (and I've finished peering over the fence and wankin') can I remove a fence panel and have a few games of Shove 'aPenny with them? Is it a sport for one thing and will the board need to be 2m long? Also, he works door to door selling lucky heather usually, or as a bogus water board official - if his employer gets wind of his activities today can he sack him as being fit for work and unfit for furlough and can he (the employer) still keep the money?

A simple fucking question that should've have been easily answered if we'd had a clear statement from that blonde bunteresque buffoon yesterday.

[Jol_BWFC]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Its the public transport thing for me, I'm 10 miles from King's Cross and my office but no way can I drive in - congestion fee, parking fees (even if you can find a spot) would just make it a nightmare. The trains are Thameslink which is modern and spacious but who the hell is going to enforce distancing. As soon as you get to Peckham (4 stops down) its totally rammed, our stop is the last one where there is even a possibility of a seat.

As for the tube, not a hope in hell you can police it, same with buses. London relies on public transport for its whole infastruce, and when I say London I mean most of the home counties who commute in. Its either the younger staff (who live bang centrally in shitty house shares) or the super rich (who can afford homes in zones 1 & 2) who can walk or bike. 

I just can't see how London will cope.

My workplace is a large(ish) office building in central London. Email from the head of ops today says that they have reviewed the updated guidance and nothing changes - offices remain shut and we must work from home.

[Tombwfc]

Boris says last night people should go back to work today. Raab this morning says nothing changes at all until Wednesday.

Raab this morning says you can meet up with both your parents in the park. Government now says you can only meet up with one. 

But it's all absolutely clear and obvious.

[Not in Crawley]

We had a questionnaire last week about how we get to work, how likely would you want to be to return, who lives in your household and all the measures that will be put in place as 30% of the office starts to make its way back in over the next month.

They've taken a lot from the global offices, and certainly the Chinese office has been ahead of that in terms of planning.

Apparently we'll have temp checks, masks provided, plastic barriers between desks, social distancing measures in the café etc

[Jol_BWFC]

21 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

No as I think she’s Got it wrong as per my posts about restating the economy. But she makes the rules for me so I need to stick to them and follow her guidance. 
 

I disagree with how she goes about things in general and her motivation. 
 

So for balance can you point me to one post this morning since the rules have diverged where I have criticised her sticking to the initial rules? Because if I had done so then you could call me a hypocritical screecher. 

Your opinion is that she’s got it wrong and you disagree with how she goes about things. Also question her motivation. That’s fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 

But how is that different to, say, Spider or Mick yesterday saying that they think the change from “Stay home” to “Stay alert” is wrong and that they disagree with the way Boris / the government are going about it? 
 

When they mentioned that yesterday or when others question Boris’ motivation, they are accused of being screechers. It should go both ways.

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

He’s changing the message because it’s what he feels is best in his role as prime minister. 
 

he’s doing his job. 
 

show me where I’ve said they are wrong? They are doing there jobs same as he is. They are entitled to do that and I live in a country governed by one of them so I will abide by the rules as set out by her. 
 

you can also stay at home. You’re not being forced out the house are you? 

He's changing the message and that may lead to another spike in cases so not a good idea and not doing his job well IMO.  This depends on your viewpoint but he does not seem to be appreciating that other areas are behind London on the curve. 

I thought you were criticising the Scottish and Welsh position of keeping things as they are.  I must have misunderstood your earlier post.  

I never said anything about me, I will keep to the original rules and this is the Welsh government advice anyway.  I'm more concerned about the effect overall on controlling the spread of the virus.  The government have a very loose idea of where the R rate currently is and three more weeks would not have been too detrimental from where the economy is now.

[Escobarp]

11 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Your opinion is that she’s got it wrong and you disagree with how she goes about things. Also question her motivation. That’s fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 

But how is that different to, say, Spider or Mick yesterday saying that they think the change from “Stay home” to “Stay alert” is wrong and that they disagree with the way Boris / the government are going about it? 
 

When they mentioned that yesterday or when others question Boris’ motivation, they are accused of being screechers. It should go both ways.

I said to spider that from what I was reading the message wasn’t going to change other than the slogan. That proved to be wrong but I don’t think anyone expected what we got last night did they?

ive never ever called spider a screecher. I find him, in the main, well balanced in his reasoning and he isn’t crticising because of where it has come from Rather so it’s content. 
 

as I have also proven I do by virtue of me not complaining about krankies ruling despite me despising the woman and just abiding by the law of the land. I disagree and that’s the extent of my vocalising of it. You can surely see the difference?
 

spider also doesn’t seem to attempt to point score on political grounds consistently. 
 

you are trying to make it fit but it simply doesn’t. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Reminder:

We are not experts, we are merely just nobheads on a football message board trying to put the world to rights 😁

Whoever stated we were NOBHEADS a few weeks ago had it spot on 👌

It was @mickbrown 

broken clock is right twice a day so give him his dues 

[Youri McAnespie]

Fuck the other dominions - we'll nip in and corner the market in leeks, haggis and Tam 'o Shanters and erm...chucking stones at the RUC whilst they're busy being wetwipes.

[ProfessorWoland]

From the stats it looks like the peak was circa April 8th and there's a 70% drop from there in admissions. So maybe they feel they have some leeway.

I wonder if they prefer a steady number of infections to continue to build some immunity? That may not be something they could afford to say publicly given the backlash over previous comments, but is it dangerous to cocoon the population now so effectively that come November and the weather cooling we have 80% of the populace vulnerable to a second peak coinciding with flu season?

 

 

[Spider]

To give Boris and co. some slack here, it’s worth noting that we are months and months away from a vaccine.

The Core strategy has always been to protect the NHS from falling over.

We still have to cautiously accept that a good many of us need to catch CV since a year long lockdown is utterly unthinkable.

Small spikes every couple of months are probably our best hope.

They can’t say that, though, which is a shame, as most people would understand the thinking on that.

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

To give Boris and co. some slack here, it’s worth noting that we are months and months away from a vaccine.

The Core strategy has always been to protect the NHS from falling over.

We still have to cautiously accept that a good many of us need to catch CV since a year long lockdown is utterly unthinkable.

Small spikes every couple of months are probably our best hope.

They can’t say that, though, which is a shame, as most people would understand the thinking on that.

Stop screeching 😁

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Couldn't agree more, unless you're a farmer the Lake District survives on tourism - outdoor pursuits, camping, walking, boating etc I bet those in Grassmere who own places like the gingerbread shop want people back (although not sure about physical distancing in that shop!) 

In the word's of Woody Guthrie - this land is your land, this land is our land.... I promise I won't pitch my tent in their back garden. In turn, when they visit London, don't go on the tube from 8-10 or 5-7 either carrying a suitcase or wearing a bemused look unless you want to be unceremoniously elbowed out of the way.

What about all the other tourist cities likes Edinburgh? Its not just an issue confined to rural places. Admittedly, no one is queuing up to spend the day in Lewisham...but still!

I ordered some gingerbread from there online yesterday - coming on Wednesday, not cheap mind.

Gonna get my Mrs to pretend to be Japanese, put a bird song track on the Alexa  - walk up and down the stairs a few times.

Virtual Grasmere.  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

To give Boris and co. some slack here, it’s worth noting that we are months and months away from a vaccine.

The Core strategy has always been to protect the NHS from falling over.

We still have to cautiously accept that a good many of us need to catch CV since a year long lockdown is utterly unthinkable.

Small spikes every couple of months are probably our best hope.

They can’t say that, though, which is a shame, as most people would understand the thinking on that.

In reality, we don't need to catch the virus.

Once the R value is below 1, it's on the path to disappearing.

Maintaining distancing and isolating as instructed will work, so long as people stick to it.

Proper tracing is obviously needed to help reduce it further.

[Zico]

23 minutes ago, Spider said:

To give Boris and co. some slack here, it’s worth noting that we are months and months away from a vaccine.

The Core strategy has always been to protect the NHS from falling over.

We still have to cautiously accept that a good many of us need to catch CV since a year long lockdown is utterly unthinkable.

Small spikes every couple of months are probably our best hope.

They can’t say that, though, which is a shame, as most people would understand the thinking on that.

isn't that what they said at the beginning? hence the water bucket analogy

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In reality, we don't need to catch the virus.

Once the R value is below 1, it's on the path to disappearing.

Maintaining distancing and isolating as instructed will work, so long as people stick to it.

Proper tracing is obviously needed to help reduce it further.

Ideal world, you’re right.

Unfortunately, the real world contains gangs of feral wanktards who don’t give a shite.

[Zico]

DP

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by ZicoKelly