Coronavirus

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

need to get the tracking and tracing sorted IMO, that's what worked in S Korea - find out who's got it early - tell every fucker thats been near them asap, get them tested asap

I agree. That's a hell of a job though! I'm still not convinced it's going to happen over here in any meaningful way. At least anytime soon sadly.

[kent_white]

23 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

That was as per a theatre nurse at a NW Hospital. Don't know if they'd made different arrangements.   

There's a critical care course you can go on that takes about 12 months to complete. But that's to get you used to all the different types of conditions that people are regularly admitted with and how to use lots of different types of kit.

You could quite easily upskill a ward nurse to take on CC duties if the majority not the cases were going to be vented COVID patients on similar equipment. Trouble is who would staff the general wards. We've not got enough nurses as it is.

Still think most of the problems we're facing with COVID today have been stacking up for the past 10 years. Not necessarily the fault of this government - although they've still questions to answer when it's all over!

Edited May 15, 2020 by kent_white

[Tombwfc]

5 hours ago, boltondiver said:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-no-child-known-to-have-passed-covid-19-to-adults-global-study-finds-11981111

 

what are teachers scared of?

 

Another day, another study ripped out of context to make a point it has never claimed to make.

The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health have issued a statement to stress that the news reports “have incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19. This is not the RCPCH position, nor is it based on evidence.”

https://fullfact.org/health/children-transmitting-coronavirus/

[radcliffe white]

eating in a greenhouse😀

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-52663568/coronavirus-amsterdam-trials-covid-safe-restaurant

[peelyfeet]

17 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I agree. That's a hell of a job though! I'm still not convinced it's going to happen over here in any meaningful way. At least anytime soon sadly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-52584494/coronavirus-how-south-korea-crushed-the-curve

fingers crossed

[ProfessorWoland]

22 minutes ago, kent_white said:

 

Still think most of the problems we're facing with COVID today have been stacking up for the past 10 years. Not necessarily the fault of this government - although they've still questions to answer when it's all over!

 

True. For instance, all those old folk who were moved back into care homes,, with tragic results in some cases, many of them shouldn't have been in hospital to begin with but the failures in social care had left them nowhere else to go. 

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Another day, another study ripped out of context to make a point it has never claimed to make.

The Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health have issued a statement to stress that the news reports “have incorrectly suggested that children cannot transmit COVID-19. This is not the RCPCH position, nor is it based on evidence.”

https://fullfact.org/health/children-transmitting-coronavirus/

The Internet is full of coronavirus bullshit. The sceptics and conspiracy theorists are organised and have bloggs and websites already, thats how they make money,  from clicks, youtube views and selling books off the back off conspiracy shite. 

They drag out some "expert" of an unrelated science, or industry,  or a conspiacry theorist with an ulterior motive or a political axe to grind, and they twist and cherry pick data to suit their narrative, like the sky news article has done. And loads of people beleive what they say.

Funny how none of the governments are listening to these crackpots.

I've got a few mates who keep sending me youtube videos of random interviews with so called experts that they've never heard of before,  and they take everything they say at face value - "see must be true, she's a scientist"

The same mates were saying, "this virus wont come to the UK", then, "it's just the flu". Now that there's a load of deaths it's changed to "The effects of the lockdown will kill more"  

Barnpots the lot of em.

Edited May 15, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Nowack]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

half a million in care homes, 1.5 million care home workers

3 to 1 ratio seems a bit steep, no wonder it's so expensive. 

[peelyfeet]

9 minutes ago, Nowack said:

3 to 1 ratio seems a bit steep, no wonder it's so expensive. 

I think its independant adult social care workers (not NHS), so those who go and see the ones at home too. 

yeah it is - just checked - its roughly half in care homes, and half in private homes

https://www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adult-social-care-workforce-data/Workforce-intelligence/publications/national-information/The-state-of-the-adult-social-care-sector-and-workforce-in-England.aspx

Edited May 15, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Tonge moor green jacket]

32 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

The Internet is full of coronavirus bullshit. The sceptics and conspiracy theorists are organised and have bloggs and websites already, thats how they make money,  from clicks, youtube views and selling books off the back off conspiracy shite. 

They drag out some "expert" of an unrelated science, or industry,  or a conspiacry theorist with an ulterior motive or a political axe to grind, and they twist and cherry pick data to suit their narrative, like the article above has done. And loads of people beleive what they say.

Funny how none of the governments are listening to these crackpots.

I've got a few mates who keep sending me youtube videos of random interviews with so called experts that they've never heard of before,  and they take everything they say at face value - "see must be true, she's a scientist"

The same mates were saying, "this virus wont come to the UK", then, "it's just the flu". Now that there's a load of deaths it's changed to "The effects of the lockdown will kill more"  

Barnpots the lot of em.

This effect of economic drop killing folk will be very difficult to measure, but they currently do create such statistics.

Carry the effect over a number of years and there may be a large number of increased deaths attributed to increased poverty.

Even the likes of Whitty et Al mentioned this in early briefings about making judgements over lockdown.

Whether this will be less or more than covid would nobble over the same time period- who knows.

[mickbrown]

‘Get back to work you workshy fuckers’,  scream a load of (k)nobheads posting on a football message board during working hours. 
 

I’d sack the lot of you, you lazy fuckers😀

[Roger_Dubuis]

The MPs could set an example by returning to work themselves.

[only1swanny]

Personally, I'm looking forward to the improved behaviour when they return to school. 

[peelyfeet]

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This effect of economic drop killing folk will be very difficult to measure, but they currently do create such statistics.

Carry the effect over a number of years and there may be a large number of increased deaths attributed to increased poverty.

Even the likes of Whitty et Al mentioned this in early briefings about making judgements over lockdown.

Whether this will be less or more than covid would nobble over the same time period- who 

I agree.

Economic downturn is happening everywhere, regardless of each countries lockdown policy. 

Without restrictions, loads of folk would have been ill at the same time, they reckon hundreds of thousands  in the peak weeks. Hospitals wouldn't have coped so families would have had to tend to the sick. Millions would have been off work in key industries, gas water, electricity, food production, emergency services. Folk would have stayed off work and off school out of fear. That would have been disatrous for the economy too.

Some people aren't factoring this in

Edited May 15, 2020 by peelyfeet

[peelyfeet]

Double post

Edited May 15, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Traf]

7 hours ago, Horwich said:

609 pages of bollocks

612

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

‘Get back to work you workshy fuckers’,  scream a load of (k)nobheads posting on a football message board during working hours. 
 

I’d sack the lot of you, you lazy fuckers😀

Lunch break, now; is that acceptable?

 

Chicken and stuffing barm cakes, if you were wondering

 

[Guest]

Looks like we have R by region now. Which is nice.

[Wanderlust]

30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This effect of economic drop killing folk will be very difficult to measure, but they currently do create such statistics.

Carry the effect over a number of years and there may be a large number of increased deaths attributed to increased poverty.

Even the likes of Whitty et Al mentioned this in early briefings about making judgements over lockdown.

Whether this will be less or more than covid would nobble over the same time period- who knows.

Difficult to measure but the excess mortality figure seems a fair enough way of doing it and most statisticians and scientists agree especially when it comes to assessing the true impact of Covid (given the variance in the way deaths are recorded and ascribed)

It isn't perfect but I don't have a problem with relating a rise in overall deaths in the time of an epidemic or a war as compared to many years previous data to be a fair indicator of the impact of that epidemic or war.

Surely the same could be used to measure the impact of the recession?

As of yesterday, 0ver 60,700 people more have died in the UK compared to previous years average for the same period (Chris Giles FT) so IMO that's a more accurate measure of the impact of Covid in the UK.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

Difficult to measure but the excess mortality figure seems a fair enough way of doing it and most statisticians and scientists agree especially when it comes to assessing the true impact of Covid (given the variance in the way deaths are recorded and ascribed)

It isn't perfect but I don't have a problem with relating a rise in overall deaths in the time of an epidemic or a war as compared to many years previous data to be a fair indicator of the impact of that epidemic or war.

Surely the same could be used to measure the impact of the recession?

As of yesterday, 0ver 60,700 people more have died in the UK compared to previous years average for the same period (Chris Giles FT) so IMO that's a more accurate measure of the impact of Covid in the UK.

All the serious scientists say to look at the excess etc definition at the end, rather than part way through.

[Casino]

Why cant we look now and at the end

The figure of excess deaths this year to date, may 14th, aint ever changing

[mickbrown]

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Lunch break, now; is that acceptable?

 

Chicken and stuffing barm cakes, if you were wondering

 

Perfectly. 
 

Same time tomorrow?

[Wanderlust]

Just now, Casino said:

Why cant we look now and at the end

The figure of excess deaths this year to date, may 14th, aint ever changing

Well they might change upwards a bit. Diver's got a point inasmuch that not all deaths are registered immediately so although it's killed 60 odd thou ATM that figure may be increased later.

[radcliffe white]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Lunch break, now; is that acceptable?

 

Chicken and stuffing barm cakes, if you were wondering

 

Barm cakes wtf?

muffins

 

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Why cant we look now and at the end

The figure of excess deaths this year to date, may 14th, aint ever changing

Because at the end, they’re hoping we’ll be too happy we can get down the boozer, we won’t give much of a shit for owt else.