Coronavirus

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's clearly got an issue as he is forever diving in over the issue of numbers.

[MickyD]

6 hours ago, Casino said:

Pay someone to take em down

Pay someone to put them up?

 

Nah, course not

Nobody would be that bent

Andy Burnham’s GMCA provided much of the labour for the Manchester Nightingale Ward and used fire service non-uniformed contractors pulling them away from fire service building projects.

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't drink. If you had half a memory you'd know that, but you're too busy sniping.

He's clearly got an issue as he is forever diving in over the issue of numbers.

You and him are peas in a pod. Owt to moan about.

 

10+ posts a day in this thread. Who's obsessed?

Which bit of what I said was incorrect or having a moan? It's just a fact. 

 

 

[Casino]

Unintentionally misspoke

 

Ill remember that one, just in case

[radcliffe white]

Anyone catch ranvir singh sucking a lollipop on good morning Britain

very seductively 

[Traf]

She could suck my lollipop any day.

[mickbrown]

10 hours ago, Casino said:

Unintentionally misspoke

 

Ill remember that one, just in case

Up there with ‘economical with the truth’

[radcliffe white]

Creeping back up in some areas of rochdale 

milkstone & deeplish not surprising really 

[Mounts Kipper]

Preston lockdown, thank fuck I’m out of the way in Spain. 

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Preston lockdown, thank fuck I’m out of the way in Spain. 

In the safe embrace of the EU

Fuck Britain. It’s shit.

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

In the safe embrace of the EU

Fuck Britain. It’s shit.

Spain actually nowt to do with the EU. 

[MancWanderer]

Where’s this stuff come from about Nightingale hospitals being dismantled???

The ones that I know about (Glasgow and Harrogate) are being “re-purposed”

NHS Scotland are using that one for staff training and some other consultations - orthopaedic iirc. NHS Leeds and NHS Harrogate are using that one for imaging (so if you need a scan you will be sent there)

From what I understand, and know a little about, the problem the NHS has is the structure of the normal hospitals means that they simply cannot accept the same numbers of patients for treatment and acceptably distance folk, so a huge backlog is building up. A couple of neurologists that I know can only see 1 patient per hour currently whereas it used to be 3. Chemo treatments have virtually ground to a halt. The Nightingale Hospitals were constructed with distancing in mind so are perfect in the current climate. No doubt the internal structure will change so some interior dismantling and reconstruction will be needed but total dismantling? Not that I’m aware of

Ad to the question of why they were constructed in the first place? You could take a number of views on that. Nobody knew what impact Covid would have and there was a very real threat of the NHS being totally overwhelmed. As it turned out, the UK lockdown, even though it was a bit shit, did actually contribute to this not happening. Another view is that there would have been a hysterical meltdown if they hadn’t been built 

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Where’s this stuff come from about Nightingale hospitals being dismantled???

The ones that I know about (Glasgow and Harrogate) are being “re-purposed”

NHS Scotland are using that one for staff training and some other consultations - orthopaedic iirc. NHS Leeds and NHS Harrogate are using that one for imaging (so if you need a scan you will be sent there)

From what I understand, and know a little about, the problem the NHS has is the structure of the normal hospitals means that they simply cannot accept the same numbers of patients for treatment and acceptably distance folk, so a huge backlog is building up. A couple of neurologists that I know can only see 1 patient per hour currently whereas it used to be 3. Chemo treatments have virtually ground to a halt. The Nightingale Hospitals were constructed with distancing in mind so are perfect in the current climate. No doubt the internal structure will change so some interior dismantling and reconstruction will be needed but total dismantling? Not that I’m aware of

Ad to the question of why they were constructed in the first place? You could take a number of views on that. Nobody knew what impact Covid would have and there was a very real threat of the NHS being totally overwhelmed. As it turned out, the UK lockdown, even though it was a bit shit, did actually contribute to this not happening. Another view is that there would have been a hysterical meltdown if they hadn’t been built 

 

Whilst I agree most of your insight, I'm not sure if we know as yet whether the lockdown did contribute.

There's plenty of science which says that we peaked very early in lockdown, or even before.

Edited August 7, 2020 by boltondiver

[Tonge moor green jacket]

That's what I thought re the nightingales. 

Certainly makes sense to use them for backlogs and have them available should another wave ensue.

[Winchester White]

45 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Whilst I agree most of your insight, I'm not sure if we know as yet whether the lockdown did contribute.

There's plenty of science which says that we peaked very early in lockdown, or even before.

Where is this science as I haven't read any of it? Also, if the lockdown didn't contribute then what did cause the reduction in cases?

[Spider]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Spain actually nowt to do with the EU. 

Mounts, have you had too much sun lad?

Thats a bit like saying John Lennon has nowt to do with the Beatles.

Put the Wine down.

[tyldesley_white]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

Mounts, have you had too much sun lad?

Thats a bit like saying John Lennon has nowt to do with the Beatles.

Put the Wine down.

Hes probably living in an enclave full of english immigrants , who think that now the UK is out of the EU (Yea I know we are not yet, just waiting on the over ready deal) , so are they

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Hes probably living in an enclave full of english immigrants , who think that now the UK is out of the EU (Yea I know we are not yet, just waiting on the over ready deal) , so are they

English telly, full English breakfasts, €2 pints of Fosters, Union Jack towels and talking loudly about Gibraltar being a god given British outpost?

Nah, not Mounts.

[Mounts Kipper]

33 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Hes probably living in an enclave full of english immigrants , who think that now the UK is out of the EU (Yea I know we are not yet, just waiting on the over ready deal) , so are they

It’s fantastic, beers 1 Euro it’s 10 minutes into Benidorm the caravans got full on air con with Union Jack flying proudly and breakfast is cheaper than spoons, it’s bit like tyldesley without skenners, but in the sun, you should try it. 

Edited August 7, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[kent_white]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s fantastic, beers 1 Euro it’s 10 minutes into Benidorm the caravans got full on air con with Union Jack flying proudly and breakfast is cheaper than spoons, it’s bit like tyldesley without skenners, but in the sun, you should try it. 

Poe's law! 😀

Enjoy your hols mate! 👍👍👍

[Cheese]

39 minutes ago, Spider said:

English telly, full English breakfasts, €2 pints of Fosters, Union Jack towels and talking loudly about Gibraltar being a god given British outpost?

Nah, not Mounts.

"OY MANWELL, KEEP YER FILFY 'ANDS OFF ARE ROCK! (that voted 96% Remain)."

[tkonion]

3 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

Where’s this stuff come from about Nightingale hospitals being dismantled???

The ones that I know about (Glasgow and Harrogate) are being “re-purposed”

NHS Scotland are using that one for staff training and some other consultations - orthopaedic iirc. NHS Leeds and NHS Harrogate are using that one for imaging (so if you need a scan you will be sent there)

From what I understand, and know a little about, the problem the NHS has is the structure of the normal hospitals means that they simply cannot accept the same numbers of patients for treatment and acceptably distance folk, so a huge backlog is building up. A couple of neurologists that I know can only see 1 patient per hour currently whereas it used to be 3. Chemo treatments have virtually ground to a halt. The Nightingale Hospitals were constructed with distancing in mind so are perfect in the current climate. No doubt the internal structure will change so some interior dismantling and reconstruction will be needed but total dismantling? Not that I’m aware of

Ad to the question of why they were constructed in the first place? You could take a number of views on that. Nobody knew what impact Covid would have and there was a very real threat of the NHS being totally overwhelmed. As it turned out, the UK lockdown, even though it was a bit shit, did actually contribute to this not happening. Another view is that there would have been a hysterical meltdown if they hadn’t been built 

 

Any idea why Covid cases weren't treated at the Nightingales that were designed for distancing rather than being left empty while Covid patients were in hospitals that weren't designed for distancing? 

[MancWanderer]

16 minutes ago, tkonion said:

Any idea why Covid cases weren't treated at the Nightingales that were designed for distancing rather than being left empty while Covid patients were in hospitals that weren't designed for distancing? 

My understanding, and I’ll stress that’s it’s an understanding, and that I’m no expert is this.

Patient X is suddenly seriously ill and is admitted to hospital. Nobody knows at that point whether or not they have Covid so are admitted to their local hospital. They are then treated for the condition that they have at that point. If they are then found to be “Covid positive” and not in need of other urgent treatment they get transferred to a Nightingale hospital

My real life example is my MiL. Seriously compromised due to chemo to treat bone marrow cancer. Admitted to Royal Oldham with serious pneumonia three times. Tests negative for Covid each time. Last time she’s admitted she tests positive but is too far gone. If she hadn’t been and hadn’t had the background underlying condition I expect that she would have been transferred but needing the care from the oncologist she was kept in Oldham 

Hope that explains it mate and that I haven’t appeared too condescending. Just trying to put some perspective on what the Nightingale hospitals were set on for 

[MancWanderer]

3 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Whilst I agree most of your insight, I'm not sure if we know as yet whether the lockdown did contribute.

There's plenty of science which says that we peaked very early in lockdown, or even before.

We don’t know yet for certain I agree. But we didn’t get the overwhelming stress on the NHS that was predicted so it may be a reason. Of course, it may not

[tkonion]

35 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

My understanding, and I’ll stress that’s it’s an understanding, and that I’m no expert is this.

Patient X is suddenly seriously ill and is admitted to hospital. Nobody knows at that point whether or not they have Covid so are admitted to their local hospital. They are then treated for the condition that they have at that point. If they are then found to be “Covid positive” and not in need of other urgent treatment they get transferred to a Nightingale hospital

My real life example is my MiL. Seriously compromised due to chemo to treat bone marrow cancer. Admitted to Royal Oldham with serious pneumonia three times. Tests negative for Covid each time. Last time she’s admitted she tests positive but is too far gone. If she hadn’t been and hadn’t had the background underlying condition I expect that she would have been transferred but needing the care from the oncologist she was kept in Oldham 

Hope that explains it mate and that I haven’t appeared too condescending. Just trying to put some perspective on what the Nightingale hospitals were set on for 

No not condescending at all mate, thanks for the reply. I'm not sure from your post how your mother in law is but it sounds like bad news whatever the outcome.

Edited August 7, 2020 by tkonion