Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 Plenty pension and long term old age care cost savings If we are doing the sums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, boltondiver said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54442386?__twitter_impression=true I read that and see it as backing up what we both say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Casino said: Plenty pension and long term old age care cost savings If we are doing the sums Have a read of the Barrington declaration. Reasonable in theory, but impractical in reality for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: This 100%. Get on with life. Can't protect the vulnerable very well though, there's loads of them, some of them have jobs, some are cared for, many live in houses with other people. I keep seeing stuff like this - and yes, in an ideal world we'd let all the people who aren't going to be ill catch it, and all the ones who might get ill we'll lock away - but how? - none of these so called experts ever explain how we'd do it - what happens to the 40 yr old mum with cancer - do we tell her to stay in a hermetically sealed room for a year - there's 375k new cancer diagnosis a year, million of old, millions with diabetes, millions obese, millions with high blood pressure - where we gonna put them all and for how long? how we going to get everyone else to catch it and how long will it take - if we do it in one big go whos going to look after all the ones who actualy get ill by accident? weve had this virus swirling around for 10 months and 10% have caught it - there's billions of folk who aint got it yet. it wont work and the governments already know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 we dont know its 10% though, do we, my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Spider Posted October 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2020 the fact that governments are already planning exam cancellations for next year tells me they aren't expecting life to be back to normal for at least another year. We're fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, gonzo said: Re local lockdowns.... Seriously. Figures released by Labour. Photos on the internet. I’m done with this you’re all mad. Mad I say!!!! Edited October 7, 2020 by Boby Brno Minor apostrophe error. You’re all still mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Seriously. Figures released by Labour. Photos on the internet. I’m done with this your all mad. Mad I say!!!! Same labour who support the governments further restrictions nonetheless. Social media is just twisted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: we dont know its 10% though, do we, my friend I aint seen anything to prove it otherwise, and shitloads to prove it so. folk a few weeks ago were saying look at Sweden, they're getting close to herd immunity now - t-cell this and no-restriction that bollocks - it's on the up there too - 500 cases a day now instead of 170 a month ago I hope im wrong but can't see us being anywhere near herd immunity yet. Most places where infections are low is where they all wear masks anyway and the government has been very strict, or the population have sorted themselves out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Can't protect the vulnerable very well though, there's loads of them, some of them have jobs, some are cared for, many live in houses with other people. I keep seeing stuff like this - and yes, in an ideal world we'd let all the people who aren't going to be ill catch it, and all the ones who might get ill we'll lock away - but how? - none of these so called experts ever explain how we'd do it - what happens to the 40 yr old mum with cancer - do we tell her to stay in a hermetically sealed room for a year - there's 375k new cancer diagnosis a year, million of old, millions with diabetes, millions obese, millions with high blood pressure - where we gonna put them all and for how long? how we going to get everyone else to catch it and how long will it take - if we do it in one big go whos going to look after all the ones who actualy get ill by accident? weve had this virus swirling around for 10 months and 10% have caught it - there's billions of folk who aint got it yet. it wont work and the governments already know Those who are in high risk category who wish to isolate themselves should be allowed to and supported. Those who wish to crack on but take sensible precautions should be allowed to, only issue being if the NHS can’t cope. Edited October 7, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It’s very nice of Labour to point out that cases of Covid have increased in areas of local lockdown. Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been much worse without those measures though. And I must have missed their plan for how they would recommend handling this any differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) The couple sat in the pub on the left of this photo are my mate and his girlfriend. They spent a few days in Edinburgh last week. Almost fell off my chair when I saw it earlier today! 😆 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54435870 Edited October 8, 2020 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 25 minutes ago, Spider said: the fact that governments are already planning exam cancellations for next year tells me they aren't expecting life to be back to normal for at least another year. We're fucked. Almost like we need to learn to live with the virus somehow as nothing will make it go away. Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Those who are in high risk category who wish to isolate themselves should be allowed to and supported. Those who wish to crack on but take sensible precautions should be allowed to, only issue being if the NHS can’t cope. How many do you reckon there are, in a high risk category? How many would agree to it? Who decides whats high risk. What do we do with the employed high risk, do they not go to work. You'd get folk making themselves obese to stay at home what do we do with the new 370k cancer patients? Sorry you've got cancer and you'll have to either stay away from your family and friends for a year or risk getting covid every time you want to do anything. My dad would say fuck off, no way, I'm not spending months indoors so younger folk can do what they want for a bit, I might be dead next year. Cant see it working, nor happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Can't protect the vulnerable very well though, there's loads of them, some of them have jobs, some are cared for, many live in houses with other people. I keep seeing stuff like this - and yes, in an ideal world we'd let all the people who aren't going to be ill catch it, and all the ones who might get ill we'll lock away - but how? - none of these so called experts ever explain how we'd do it - what happens to the 40 yr old mum with cancer - do we tell her to stay in a hermetically sealed room for a year - there's 375k new cancer diagnosis a year, million of old, millions with diabetes, millions obese, millions with high blood pressure - where we gonna put them all and for how long? how we going to get everyone else to catch it and how long will it take - if we do it in one big go whos going to look after all the ones who actualy get ill by accident? weve had this virus swirling around for 10 months and 10% have caught it - there's billions of folk who aint got it yet. it wont work and the governments already know Plan A (crashing the Economy off a cliff) isn’t working either though is it, cases are rising and we have no end game beyond a vaccine potentially coming next year that May or may not work The thinking behind asking the at risk groups to bare the brunt of the restrictions seems viable to me. It’s in their own interest to abide by the rules as they are the ones at risk. If they don’t want to play ball then that’s on them isn’t it I think someone shared some numbers before that only 300 under 60’s have died thus far, seems fair enough to draw a line in the sand there then and let under 60’s go about life as usual this Winter baring a few exceptions OR anyone else who wants to lock themselves away by choice (funded by themselves of course). Keep masks going and other non economically damaging measures like working from home (if you can) etc It should be on the table for discussion at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: How many do you reckon there are, in a high risk category? How many would agree to it? Who decides whats high risk. What do we do with the employed high risk, do they not go to work. You'd get folk making themselves obese to stay at home what do we do with the new 370k cancer patients? Sorry you've got cancer and you'll have to either stay away from your family and friends for a year or risk getting covid every time you want to do anything. My dad would say fuck off, no way, I'm not spending months indoors so younger folk can do what they want for a bit, I might be dead next year. Cant see it working, nor happening. Nanny state at the moment, it should be left to your own discretion, with government guidance for best practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 As has been suggested before, telling the vulnerable they have to stay at home so society can survive when everything else has failed is one thing. Asking them to do when we haven’t taken things remotely seriously enough so people can have an extra hour in the pub is another thing all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Nanny state at the moment, it should be left to your own discretion, with government guidance for best practice. Because that’s going to work. Come on. We have a high propensity of fucking retards who left up their own devices are just going to fuck it up royally for all of us (more than currently) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, wiggy said: As has been suggested before, telling the vulnerable they have to stay at home so society can survive when everything else has failed is one thing. Asking them to do when we haven’t taken things remotely seriously enough so people can have an extra hour in the pub is another thing all together. Let’s not pretend it’s just about an extra hour down the pub We are looking at 10% unemployment as things stand Millions made redundant who will struggle to pay their bills because of the impact these restrictions are having Industries completely decimated But aye, it’s just about another hour in the pub (even though a huge amount of folk rely on the nighttime economy between 11pm and 6am) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Those who are in high risk category who wish to isolate themselves should be allowed to and supported. Those who wish to crack on but take sensible precautions should be allowed to, only issue being if the NHS can’t cope. There are people on here who think you (and me) are in the high risk group. Are you happy to be isolated and supported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Because that’s going to work. Come on. We have a high propensity of fucking retards who left up their own devices are just going to fuck it up royally for all of us (more than currently) The fuckwits will fuck it up regardless. Crack on, high risk isolate with support if necessary. If I was higher risk I’d take sensible precautions but wouldn’t isolate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: There are people on here who think you (and me) are in the high risk group. Are you happy to be isolated and supported? Not interested in isolating, ain’t happening. Should be left to the individual. Edited October 7, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: Plan A (crashing the Economy off a cliff) isn’t working either though is it, cases are rising and we have no end game beyond a vaccine potentially coming next year that May or may not work The thinking behind asking the at risk groups to bare the brunt of the restrictions seems viable to me. It’s in their own interest to abide by the rules as they are the ones at risk. If they don’t want to play ball then that’s on them isn’t it I think someone shared some numbers before that only 300 under 60’s have died thus far, seems fair enough to draw a line in the sand there then and let under 60’s go about life as usual this Winter baring a few exceptions OR anyone else who wants to lock themselves away by choice (funded by themselves of course). Keep masks going and other non economically damaging measures like working from home (if you can) etc It should be on the table for discussion at least They looked at it right from the start. Not one country chose it. I don't think folk have grasped how long it would take and the consequences. Locking up millions of over 60s and loads of vulnerables for several months would be a logistical nightmare, and would bring economic problems too. Ethically wise, telling the country, "listen were going to pretty much do what we want if we're young, so the virus is going to be fucking rife for you oldies, best stay in until May" wouldn't be accepted in Western democracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Not interested in isolating, ain’t happening. Should be left to the individual. What about the people who live or work or care for, or are dependant on the individual ? Edited October 7, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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