Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, buckhurstwhite said: Correct, but not really needed last time, and hopefully not this time round as well tbh, imo theyre were just a gimmick If they are ever needed, we will find out and i suspect it wont be pretty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 If Boris goes down the sturgeon route I hope the Tories pot him. Take witty, valance and Hancock with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, peelyfeet said: Let's reconvene in May and see what happens. I’ll tell you what will happen, we don’t need to wait until May, we will carry on fucking about killing the economy and we still won’t have a plan B Job losses in the millions, industries on their arse and we won’t be any further ahead than we are now Why, because politicians care more about another term in office than making a hard choice. Body bags don’t go down well in an election so the people making the decisions are petrified about putting the Economy first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: If Boris goes down the sturgeon route I hope the Tories pot him. Take witty, valance and Hancock with him. im leaving this thread and considering my position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: I’ll tell you what will happen, we don’t need to wait until May, we will carry on fucking about killing the economy and we still won’t have a plan B Job losses in the millions, industries on their arse and we won’t be any further ahead than we are now Why, because politicians care more about another term in office than making a hard choice. Body bags don’t go down well in an election so the people making the decisions are petrified about putting the Economy first Or the restrictions save thousands of lives, the vaccine kicks in to the vulnerable in early 2021 and the economy starts to recover. That's what they're hoping for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Its kings college pal, the blokes running ZOE. You are being hypocritical Remember the letter I posted signed by Professors as well recognised as Spector? You dismissed because it was on a certain other Professor’s Twitter remember? Stating the bias, whilst conveniently ignoring the signatories / authors Yet now you want us to ignore that this was published in the Daily Fail as part of a report from the War Mongererer’s institute You’re funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If Boris goes down the sturgeon route I hope the Tories pot him. Take witty, valance and Hancock with him. But what about Brexit? He’s got the cooking instructions for the oven ready deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, jules_darby said: You are being hypocritical Remember the letter I posted signed by Professors as well recognised as Spector? You dismissed because it was on a certain other Professor’s Twitter remember? Stating the bias, whilst conveniently ignoring the signatories / authors Yet now you want us to ignore that this was published in the Daily Fail as part of a report from the War Mongererer’s institute You’re funny I can't be bothered rising Jules. Kings college and ZOE are running the biggest covid live data collection survey in the country. Theyre taking reports from 4 million folk a day. Sending actual pillar 4 tests out to folk, provuding data to the government figures. To try and compare that to the letter from Karol and his friends, because the link came from the DM. Laters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 And if we’re going to listen to Professors that write in the Mail, this one agrees with @birch-chorley https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8816651/PROF-DAVID-LIVERMORE-manifesto-beat-coronavirus-crisis.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Or the restrictions save thousands of lives, the vaccine kicks in to the vulnerable in early 2021 and the economy starts to recover. That's what they're hoping for. ‘The vaccine kicks in to the vulnerable‘ That nails it for me When a vaccine does come who will get it first? The vulnerable of course, as they need it most. I’m perfectly fine with that, I’d expect ‘the vulnerable’ to be perfectly fine with having to take additional precautions above and beyond what the majority should have to follow also If for whatever reason we didn’t have a flu vaccine one Winter, we would be looking at similar number of deaths as we are currently with Covid, from the same vulnerable groups as well. Would we crash the whole economy and have restrictions for all OR instead ask those vulnerable groups to shield themselves as they don’t have a vaccine this year? It’s exactly the same thing (whilst unlikely of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Liverpool and Manchester are at 550 cases per 100000. Glasgow is about a third of that so this is seriously going to put pressure on Boris to do likewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlington White Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Or the restrictions save thousands of lives, the vaccine kicks in to the vulnerable in early 2021 and the economy starts to recover. That's what they're hoping for. “Hoping” being the key word... it’s pretty clear we won’t be any further on in 6 months. The economy is on its arse, at some point they will have to make a decision and just crack on. Not keep locking down at every sort of rise of “cases”. What is the exit strategy, zero cases/zero deaths? Not happening and a vaccine isn’t guaranteed to be around or even work effectively. Worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 youll be hearing of flu vaccine shortages soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: Liverpool and Manchester are at 550 cases per 100000. Glasgow is about a third of that so this is seriously going to put pressure on Boris to do likewise. Wasn’t that long ago we were talking about countries dropping off the travel list for going over 20 cases per 100,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Casino said: youll be hearing of flu vaccine shortages soon Our work can’t get them, AXA PPP pulled them from our policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Adlington White said: “Hoping” being the key word... it’s pretty clear we won’t be any further on in 6 months. The economy is on its arse, at some point they will have to make a decision and just crack on. Not keep locking down at every sort of rise of “cases”. What is the exit strategy, zero cases/zero deaths? Not happening and a vaccine isn’t guaranteed to be around or even work effectively. Worrying. "Its pretty clear" is your view. Not shared by everyone making the decisions. They're going to carry on with restrictions unless they see evidence that something else is better. Exit strategy is as few deaths as possible whilst protecting tbe economy as well as possible at the same time. They want both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, peelyfeet said: "Its pretty clear" is your view. Not shared by everyone making the decisions. They're going to carry on with restrictions unless they see evidence that something else is better. Exit strategy is as few deaths as possible whilst protecting tbe economy as well as possible at the same time. They want both. You can’t have both, that’s abundantly clear Just too many restrictions on too many industries as things stand and yet cases are still sky rocketing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: You can’t have both, that’s abundantly clear Just too many restrictions on too many industries as things stand and yet cases are still sky rocketing Well that's not what the governments of the world think. They're trading off lives for the economy and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Our work can’t get them, AXA PPP pulled them from our policy said it before They get ordered months ago Then govt decide to give it to loads more folk Maybe theyll find some on an excel spreadsheet but otherwise, theyll be running out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlington White Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, peelyfeet said: "Its pretty clear" is your view. Not shared by everyone making the decisions. They're going to carry on with restrictions unless they see evidence that something else is better. Exit strategy is as few deaths as possible whilst protecting tbe economy as well as possible at the same time. They want both. That isn’t an exit strategy... it’s clearly what we all want but at what point does a decision have to be made is what I am asking. Eg what if it is the same position in may next year? Some industries will be beyond repair by then. At the end of the day, peiple just want to see consistency and would be more inclined to comply with the regulations. Rather than making snap decisions based on no scientific evidence and unreliable data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Well that's not what the governments of the world think. They're trading off lives for the economy and vice versa. Governments of the world make mistakes every day, many can’t help making them (our lot haven’t covered themselves in glory have they) Its not some fruitcake theory I’ve come up with on the back of a pack of Benson & Hedges, it got a reading in our parliament today. It’s a viable option that will gain traction the more people who lose their jobs and homes because of the restrictions on the economy, not because of a virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Last post from me. People don't like restrictions, especially the ones that effect them directly. Making other sectors of society have more restrictions, calling out the restrictions that you don't like, criticism of the govmt for introducing them, is human nature. Folk forget that without them, you or a family member, or a close friend might already be dead. Edited October 7, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Pubs and restaurants shutting in north from this weekend papers reporting tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, peelyfeet said: Last post from me. People don't like restrictions, especially the ones that effect them directly. Making others sectors of society have more restrictions, calling out the ones that you don't like, criticism of the govmt for introducing them, is human nature. Folk forget that without them, you or a family member, or a close friend might already be dead. Restrictions seems like quite a soft way of putting it really, the majority aren’t arsed about restrictions ‘not being allowed in Morrisons without a mask’ What People don't like is losing their jobs, not being able to pay their mortgage or provide for their families Thats what we are talking about here, the Covid vulnerable (over 60’s etc) taking measures to protect themselves from Covid whilst also saving millions of peoples jobs and the families that rely on that income Surely the vulnerable groups aren't so selfish that they would see millions go without work in order to protect them from a virus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 7, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Pubs and restaurants shutting in north from this weekend papers reporting tomorrow. If folk could just behave and put a cunting mask on when in indoors, wash their hands etc then we wouldn't need this to happen again. But instead dickhead folk have lost the plot when small changes to normal life could really make a difference. We really are thick fuckers as a species at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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