birch-chorley Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, wiggy said: I promise you I’m not trying to be difficult. I don’t think most people would have a problem asking the “vulnerable” to shield if we were talking about a known period of time. Or if it meant others could carry on do the “essentials”. I think what people have an issue with, is the suggestion by some that the vulnerable should shield forever so that others can go back to living what we might consider a “normal” life. The life we all live for the foreseeable is going to be shit. Anyone who thinks any different is deluded and / or massively selfish. Personally I think we need to find the balance which allows us to keep the virus under control without meaning 15 million people face the threat of 3 years, 5 years or longer stuck at home. And this is all assuming you think we can actually lock those people away in safety. I don’t think we can lock them away safely, it wouldn’t be perfect, non of the measures are, but it would protect them to a degree whilst supporting the economy more so than we are now Your now talking 3 to 5 years, I’m talking until Spring / Summer when we hopefully have a vaccine If the vaccine takes 3-5 years then we wouldn’t possibly be able to go on as we are shutting stuff down left right and centre. We would simply run out of money long before we got to the end of year 2 let alone 3. That would mean doctors, nurses, teachers and the rest of the public sector not getting paid. A full economic collapse like that won’t do the vulnerable any favours either would it If we haven't got a vaccine in 2021 then the only other way would be herd immunity surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 All massively depressing isn’t it? Even when people disagree on how to manage this, for the most part they want the same thing - to look after as many people as possible. I know you do as well. One thing I think we can all agree on is that we’re going to be needing Rudy for a good while yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, wiggy said: All massively depressing isn’t it? Even when people disagree on how to manage this, for the most part they want the same thing - to look after as many people as possible. I know you do as well. One thing I think we can all agree on is that we’re going to be needing Rudy for a good while yet! Sod post briefing questions. We need Rudy with a fine selection of busters and some soothing music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 hours ago, wiggy said: All massively depressing isn’t it? Even when people disagree on how to manage this, for the most part they want the same thing - to look after as many people as possible. I know you do as well. One thing I think we can all agree on is that we’re going to be needing Rudy for a good while yet! Devastating really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Does anyone apart from Burnham, Sir Keir, Rachel Reeves and various rag, tag etc Labour folks feel there is any justification for a national lockdown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 These videos in the papers of vaccines being made, would drugs companies be making so much if they weren’t getting signed off? No idea of the protocol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Does anyone apart from Burnham, Sir Keir, Rachel Reeves and various rag, tag etc Labour folks feel there is any justification for a national lockdown? Sage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Does anyone apart from Burnham, Sir Keir, Rachel Reeves and various rag, tag etc Labour folks feel there is any justification for a national lockdown? Van Tam and Whitty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Sage? 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Van Tam and Whitty? Both correct. But do we think , and this is a genuine question , if labour were in power they would be so keen given they would need to find the billions extra to fund it? Personally I think not. But for balance I think the tories as opposition would be advocating a full lockdown too. It’s political gamesmanship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Sage? Correct. Can see the reasoning behind local efforts though. Rates did come down here in Bolton, once we went into our own tougher restrictions, took a while maybe but did work. If everyone follows it properly, then rates should come down. As will areas with low rates should their rates continue upwards. The longer things aren't adhered to, the more likely a national one is. Just hope that the latest figures are evidence of a slowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: These videos in the papers of vaccines being made, would drugs companies be making so much if they weren’t getting signed off? No idea of the protocol I doubt in usual cases they would produce so many before approval but 'needs must' with the wuflu. I'm no anti vaxxer but I won't be front of the queue for one that has been knocked up in 9 months and was produced before the clinical trials had even finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 I’m really fed up of it all now. My kids are losing the most important years of their lives to hanging around with me. Shit for them that. Numbers are dropping round here, I’d say we’re closer to tier one than two. fucked off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Sage? Not quite They nearly said that a few weeks ago, but not quite, it was heavily caveated and they said they were short of data "the evidence base into the effectiveness and harms of these interventions is weak" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Cant be true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: Cant be true Nothing surprises me now with these crooks in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, gonzo said: Cant be true https://www.gov.uk/government/news/john-penrose-mp-to-lead-review-exploring-how-to-bolster-uk-competition-policy it is true. Couldn’t make it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted October 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 18, 2020 I love stuff like that, post some facts and let you join the dots that there's something not right. You think it's your idea and believe it more than if they'd just come out with it straight. Rev and the Makers need to fuck off back to the 2 weeks in 2005 that anyone gave a fuck about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Never knew yon fella was part of the last shadow puppets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted October 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 18, 2020 I have heard of quite a few people who have tested positive. Not heard of many who are “ill” from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondi Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Horwich said: I have heard of quite a few people who have tested positive. Not heard of many who are “ill” from it. Isn't it just older folks or fat fookers that tend to get it bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, gonzo said: Never knew yon fella was part of the last shadow puppets. Rev and The Makers? Far as i recall it was main one from arctic monkeys and miles Kane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, gonzo said: Never knew yon fella was part of the last shadow puppets. He's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: These videos in the papers of vaccines being made, would drugs companies be making so much if they weren’t getting signed off? No idea of the protocol Pfizer are taking a gamble and they aren’t stupid. They’ve produced some of the biggest selling drugs in the world. They’ll have access to the early data. Confident and they’ll push the button. Which they have done. They may go for orphan drug status which means that the data they have suggests that everything is OK and that they don’t need to do more trials. Also means they can’t sell at the usual profit as it’s pushed through for “humanitarian” reasons. On the other hand they may have later data which is more robust which means that they can sell for a higher price IMO they won’t try to profiteer on this but don’t think for one second that this will be cheap. This will have cost them millions and millions just to get to this stage. And there’s still no guarantee that their gamble of starting production will pay off with a licence for use If I was a gambling man, however, I would say that this is a good bet. You don’t wheel out videos and senior execs on summat like this thinking that you might end up with egg on your face Edit: Boss Hog sums it up quite nicely here. I still reckon that they are very confident of passing each hurdle https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/an_open_letter_from_pfizer_chairman_and_ceo_albert_bourla Edited October 18, 2020 by MancWanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: Pfizer are taking a gamble and they aren’t stupid. They’ve produced some of the biggest selling drugs in the world. They’ll have access to the early data. Confident and they’ll push the button. Which they have done. They may go for orphan drug status which means that the data they have suggests that everything is OK and that they don’t need to do more trials. Also means they can’t sell at the usual profit as it’s pushed through for “humanitarian” reasons. On the other hand they may have later data which is more robust which means that they can sell for a higher price IMO they won’t try to profiteer on this but don’t think for one second that this will be cheap. This will have cost them millions and millions just to get to this stage. And there’s still no guarantee that their gamble of starting production will pay off with a licence for use If I was a gambling man, however, I would say that this is a good bet. You don’t wheel out videos and senior execs on summat like this thinking that you might end up with egg on your face. Are you saying eggs cure Covid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spider said: Are you saying eggs cure Covid? Only boiled and dipped with Marmite soldiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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