Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Not wishing to sound condescending but ICU beds are used for a lot more than COVID This is the time of year when the pressure ramps up on ICU with admissions due to pneumonia and other respiratory conditions especially. Happens every year. I've got my fingers crossed that other respiratory illnesses will be lower this year, because of mask wearing and restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I've got my fingers crossed that other respiratory illnesses will be lower this year, because of mask wearing and restrictions. I suspect that they may well be due to handwashing and the use of antibacterials Easiest way to pick up flu is touching things in public places like supermarkets.....not what you're thinking @Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 Hopefully more taking vitamin D too. Got my brother on it, which I'm pleased about. He's the size of a small hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 My missus Auntie been diagnosed positive today in her 70s. Her husband is currently going downhill quick with dementia. Not sure what the family can do to help ! It is fucking shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: there's nothing they could do, that's the point if you overwhelm hospitals they are left with these decisions, and the decision will always favour treating those perceived as younger/fitter/stronger and better equiped to beat it so those saying crack on must be ready to acccept they or someone close to them may get turned away (depsite their best efforst to shield) in favour of a student, for example, who's been going out on the piss every night and to covid parties and generally not giving a fuck am taking it to the extreme there, but, that's how it would be, generally (IMO) and how I understand hospitals operate might be wrong still think it's best not to risk it and find out I thought the idea of the first lockdown was to allow the government / NHS to regroup so they could build up capacity (beds, doctors, ventilators, track and trace etc)? I’ve got multiple members of family who would be categorised as high risk, I accept that ‘crack on’ puts them at extra risk now. However you can reverse your very same point, those saying put Health before the Economy need to accept that, if we carry on destroying our economy then it will cause catastrophic damage to public finances and our healthcare system will go backwards for a decade at least. Waiting lists through the roof, A&E overflowing, waiting hours for an ambulance, hundreds of thousands of excess deaths over the coming years do you accept that as a reasonable trade off for saving more lives now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I thought the idea of the first lockdown was to allow the government / NHS to regroup so they could build up capacity (beds, doctors, ventilators, track and trace etc)? I’ve got multiple members of family who would be categorised as high risk, I accept that ‘crack on’ puts them at extra risk now. However you can reverse your very same point, those saying put Health before the Economy need to accept that, if we carry on destroying our economy then it will cause catastrophic damage to public finances and our healthcare system will go backwards for a decade at least. Waiting lists through the roof, A&E overflowing, waiting hours for an ambulance, hundreds of thousands of excess deaths over the coming years do you accept that as a reasonable trade off for saving more lives now? Do you accept that no Government in the world can just stand by and let people die now ? The projections and implications down the line I agree will be harsh but they are not quantifiable. This will sound incredibly harsh but for a number of years we have been told that the biggest threat to the NHS is the aging population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just heard on the BBC news again that rates in Manchester are going down. This is the situation in Greater Manchester. Can we just go back to being Lancashire to eradicate all doubt on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Just heard on the BBC news again that rates in Manchester are going down. This is the situation in Greater Manchester. Can we just go back to being Lancashire to eradicate all doubt on the matter. Bolton up by 23% ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Just heard on the BBC news again that rates in Manchester are going down. This is the situation in Greater Manchester. Can we just go back to being Lancashire to eradicate all doubt on the matter. Not good. Can't carry on like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: I thought the idea of the first lockdown was to allow the government / NHS to regroup so they could build up capacity (beds, doctors, ventilators, track and trace etc)? I’ve got multiple members of family who would be categorised as high risk, I accept that ‘crack on’ puts them at extra risk now. However you can reverse your very same point, those saying put Health before the Economy need to accept that, if we carry on destroying our economy then it will cause catastrophic damage to public finances and our healthcare system will go backwards for a decade at least. Waiting lists through the roof, A&E overflowing, waiting hours for an ambulance, hundreds of thousands of excess deaths over the coming years do you accept that as a reasonable trade off for saving more lives now? In response to the first sentence, so did I In answer to the rest I say save more lives now And do whatever we can to protect the economy now I'd take ensuring strict adherence before lockdown if possible, whatever that takes It doesn't have to one or the other, total lockdown or total crack on In any case, it won't be crack on, and the numbers need to come down, it needs to br a concerted effort, a "crack on" mentality won't help imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Spider said: Bolton up by 23% ffs 25.4 going to 29% on my chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Just heard on the BBC news again that rates in Manchester are going down. This is the situation in Greater Manchester. Can we just go back to being Lancashire to eradicate all doubt on the matter. Were, are and always will be Lancashire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Ani said: Do you accept that no Government in the world can just stand by and let people die now ? The projections and implications down the line I agree will be harsh but they are not quantifiable. This will sound incredibly harsh but for a number of years we have been told that the biggest threat to the NHS is the aging population. Aye I'm not really interested in what may or may not happen in years to come because other unforeseen factors may come into play that make things better or worse I'm more interested in saying "what's the worst position we could be in in terms of lives and economy next week/month" and deal with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 19, 2020 Author Members Share Posted October 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Just heard on the BBC news again that rates in Manchester are going down. This is the situation in Greater Manchester. Can we just go back to being Lancashire to eradicate all doubt on the matter. 7th? Evatt out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rudy said: 7th? Evatt out! Are you fucking kidding? Id rip your arm off to be 7th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ani said: Do you accept that no Government in the world can just stand by and let people die now ? The projections and implications down the line I agree will be harsh but they are not quantifiable. This will sound incredibly harsh but for a number of years we have been told that the biggest threat to the NHS is the aging population. I get that, would also say they can’t just stand by and let the economy go to shit as thats what pays for the health service that keeps people alive. Surely a better way to approach this would be to put the economy first whilst doing our best to shield the 10m or so in the vulnerable groups The ageing population is why the NHS budget needs to grow each year way beyond inflation. Similarly pensions, social care and other welfare payments. The Welfare pot will get doubly fucked by millions of unemployed, who will go from paying tax / NI to claiming benefits NHS spending only went up by £20bn / 10% between 2010 and 2020, apparently those cuts meant 150k excess deaths. Fuck knows what we are looking at after the worst recession in 300 years, I’d imagine it’s a significantly bigger number that 150k already Edited October 19, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Aye I'm not really interested in what may or may not happen in years to come because other unforeseen factors may come into play that make things better or worse I'm more interested in saying "what's the worst position we could be in in terms of lives and economy next week/month" and deal with that The impact of all this will be here before we know it Let’s see who’s protesting about government cuts when folk are dying on waiting lists, I’d imagine it will turn out to be the same ones saying put healthcare first now I agree, we should be looking at what’s the best for lives / economy next week / month. Sadly it seem that only the health side of it is taking priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: The impact of all this will be here before we know it Let’s see who’s protesting about government cuts when folk are dying on waiting lists, I’d imagine it will turn out to be the same ones saying put healthcare first now I agree, we should be looking at what’s the best for lives / economy next week / month. Sadly it seem that only the health side of it is taking priority You can still go to the pub, and if numbers look to be out of control, you can't Seems fair to me, given what we know about the spread Given Bolton's numbers spiking followed an outbreak at a pub, then went down and pubs reopened, then that seems to be a balancing act to me But yes, I'd put keeping the numbers down next week above being able to go for a pint, unless, everyone promised to behave themselves and play by the rules I'll not be protesting about anything either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 Genuine question If we want to keep pubs and hospitality open Why can't we employ military to help police it? We clearly don't have enough police to do it properly Would folk on here accept everything as it was in August if it meant a military presence on the streets and randomly checking in on pubs, restaurants and what ever else required? I would, but i suspect there'd be an influential minority that wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 People breaking the rules in pubs hasnt lead to the recent spike. Id say 99% of places have stuck to regulations they were given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, gonzo said: People breaking the rules in pubs hasnt lead to the recent spike. Id say 99% of places have stuck to regulations they were given. It doesn't matter if the rules have been broken or not. Go indoors, take your mask off for a couple of hours, have a good old breathe in, in a building that 100 others have already been in, maybe a few young piss heads. Then blame the government/ vulnerable people. Repeat. You won't catch me indoors without a mask on, anywhere, for ages. Pub, church, sports hall, cinema, mosque, office. Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 I suppose it depends on your attitude to the risk and how strongly you feel this situation is absolute shit and what we are left with doesnt look like a life you want to live I was in the local for 3 hours on saturday and i was more worried about catching armchair red filth itis....the dirty bastards Same story for the teacher and health service worker i was with Scanned in on the app for balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: It doesn't matter if the rules have been broken or not. Go indoors, take your mask off for a couple of hours, have a good old breathe in, in a building that 100 others have already been in, maybe a few young piss heads. Then blame the government/ vulnerable people. Repeat. You won't catch me indoors without a mask on, anywhere, for ages. Pub, church, sports hall, cinema, mosque, office. Not a chance. I was referring to zicos post about bringing the army in to enforce rules. Rules that have been enforced anyway imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) To a point Ive seen some pics from pubs in the last few weeks where distancing and masks are nowhere to be seen Edited October 19, 2020 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, gonzo said: People breaking the rules in pubs hasnt lead to the recent spike. Id say 99% of places have stuck to regulations they were given. Not just in pubs, everywhere Pubs, restaurants, Asda, the lot 1% is maybe all it takes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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