mickbrown Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: The Austrian chap you mentioned yesterday Who says I live in a Tier 3 area 😉 Ah that lad. I assumed. My mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, kent_white said: To be fair £22 million is dick all - but then we don't have a magic money tree do we? No we don’t £400bn and counting That’s £20k from every single household in the U.K. (just to cover tear 1) Public services down the toilet Triffic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: Ah that lad. I assumed. My mistake Apology accepted 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: No we don’t £400bn and counting That’s £20k from every single household in the U.K. (just to cover tear 1) Public services down the toilet Triffic Frightening! But amazing how quickly it's been conjured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 How long are these measures for 4 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Reckon you're right. Put areas in and give the sort of package already being agreed. At least that gives authorities some say on how best to distribute the funds. No way were they going to give in, with other authorities watching on.. Like I said it’s whats happened up here And for the record the only additional support available is to licenced premises which can apply for a grant of upto 3k (some are capped at 2k if rateable value is under a certain threshold) and then they can also apply for a further grant of 1.5k for any business impacted by Covid restrictions. That’s all that’s on offer above and beyond job support scheme. there was no horse trading on Twitter, no staged public statements on the streets to the waiting media none of that. Folk have got on with it. To me that’s the way it should’ve been everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leigh white Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Thank you. So am amazingly this is all the governments fault. That’s fine you’re entitled to your opinion but we shall leave it there as I think that’s a truckload of horseshit. Burnham has played to the crowd and failed spectacularly to gain anything. The people of GM are worse off because of his actions. Just my opinion. Have a good evening. What did you expect him to do ? He had the guts to take on this shambles of a government, a bit like your part of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: So take the equivalent money Lancashire and Liverpool did? The lowest wages can be topped up with income support, and with the additional money lancashire and Liverpool can give from their business support funds, the 66% suddenly goes up a good chunk. And Steve Rotherham isn't a tory. Greater Manchester's population is twice that of Merseyside. Was the offer made proportionate to that? I think Merseyside got a total of £51m, Lancashire a total of £42m. £75m, or £65m as I think they were willing to go to, sounds about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Like I said it’s whats happened up here And for the record the only additional support available is to licenced premises which can apply for a grant of upto 3k (some are capped at 2k if rateable value is under a certain threshold) and then they can also apply for a further grant of 1.5k for any business impacted by Covid restrictions. That’s all that’s on offer above and beyond job support scheme. there was no horse trading on Twitter, no staged public statements on the streets to the waiting media none of that. Folk have got on with it. To me that’s the way it should’ve been everywhere. Aye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, fatolive said: You sound like my wife ... yep that’s the gist of it I know , but my comment was about what constitutes and can classed a meal in that scenario. Not tonight love ive got a headache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Greater Manchester's population is twice that of Merseyside. Was the offer made proportionate to that? I think Merseyside got a total of £51m, Lancashire a total of £42m. £75m, or £65m as I think they were willing to go to, sounds about right? In fact I don't think it's Merseyside, is it? Just the Liverpool city region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Greater Manchester's population is twice that of Merseyside. Was the offer made proportionate to that? I think Merseyside got a total of £51m, Lancashire a total of £42m. £75m, or £65m as I think they were willing to go to, sounds about right? So might 60 million? Be honest, neither of us know the fine detail of how much exactly would represent an equivalent. It seems discussions are still ongoing, so hopefully the extra money will be on its way soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Greater Manchester's population is twice that of Merseyside. Was the offer made proportionate to that? I think Merseyside got a total of £51m, Lancashire a total of £42m. £75m, or £65m as I think they were willing to go to, sounds about right? But the money wasn’t for the entire population was it? Was it not for those peoples who’s jobs were directly impacted by the restrictions so total population isn’t a correct measure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: But the money wasn’t for the entire population was it? Was it not for those peoples who’s jobs were directly impacted by the restrictions so total population isn’t a correct measure? No, I'm not saying it's for the whole population, but it's surely proportionate. The more people within the region, the more jobs are affected. If the Liverpool city region is allocated a total of £51m, it doesn't seem to me that the sums being asked for were unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, leigh white said: What did you expect him to do ? He had the guts to take on this shambles of a government, a bit like your part of the country. He didn’t take anyone on. And if I was him I would be saying just that as losing a battle to this “shambles of a government “ isn’t what I would class as a badge of honour I would want to wear? And krankie hasn’t taken the government on. She’s just gone about her business in her own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Why can't you? There's nowt in the rules about not leaving GM is there? Yep i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Escobarp said: But the money wasn’t for the entire population was it? Was it not for those peoples who’s jobs were directly impacted by the restrictions so total population isn’t a correct measure? Yes. Some difference in belief of how many businesses and their type are around and amount needed apparently. Gets to the point of "ever decreasing circles", as they go into minutae. All a bit daft. We should have been sorted and on with it a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said: No, I'm not saying it's for the whole population, but it's surely proportionate. The more people within the region, the more jobs are affected. If the Liverpool city region is allocated a total of £51m, it doesn't seem to me that the sums being asked for were unreasonable. It would be those people who work in sectors impacted such as hospitality etc that would be the measure? It I should say it should be the measure? But like most things recently I think it’s been fucked up by the government they’ve entered into a negotiation with liverpool city they shouldn’t have even started on and probably there is no formula behind the amount granted and this is probably the root cause of the problem now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yes. Some difference in belief of how many businesses and their type are around and amount needed apparently. Gets to the point of "ever decreasing circles", as they go into minutae. All a bit daft. We should have been sorted and on with it a week ago. But the fact you now have more infections because he refused to do something he’s now been told to do a week later is seen as a positive job? Nowt as queer as folk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yes. Some difference in belief of how many businesses and their type are around and amount needed apparently. Gets to the point of "ever decreasing circles", as they go into minutae. All a bit daft. We should have been sorted and on with it a week ago. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 20, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: It would be those people who work in sectors impacted such as hospitality etc that would be the measure? It I should say it should be the measure? But like most things recently I think it’s been fucked up by the government they’ve entered into a negotiation with liverpool city they shouldn’t have even started on and probably there is no formula behind the amount granted and this is probably the root cause of the problem now. I agree. That said, there would have been howls of derision from the same people if they'd done that. Cant blame them for trying to get cooperation, but its not worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Thank you. So am amazingly this is all the governments fault. That’s fine you’re entitled to your opinion but we shall leave it there as I think that’s a truckload of horseshit. Burnham has played to the crowd and failed spectacularly to gain anything. The people of GM are worse off because of his actions. Just my opinion. Have a good evening. That reads like “...and needless to say I had the last laugh” The people of GM are worse off cos of the govt. you know those who are “ruling”. Your issue with Burnham over “public horse trading” is fucking hilarious; they were forced down that route initially because the govt wouldn’t talk to them...so again your ire is in the wrong direction Actually it’s in the direction your bias wants it to be in. ”have a good evening” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It would be those people who work in sectors impacted such as hospitality etc that would be the measure? It I should say it should be the measure? But like most things recently I think it’s been fucked up by the government they’ve entered into a negotiation with liverpool city they shouldn’t have even started on and probably there is no formula behind the amount granted and this is probably the root cause of the problem now. But that's my point. Greater Manchester, a region with almost three million people and one of the country's busiest city centres is surely likely to require more funding than Lancashire with roughly half the population? Almost twice the population, plus a busy city centre results in many more pubs, restaurants, etc. The reported figures being asked for seem about right to me, and seemimgly the Tory leader of Bolton,council and some of the region's Tory MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, jules_darby said: That reads like “...and needless to say I had the last laugh” The people of GM are worse off cos of the govt. you know those who are “ruling”. Your issue with Burnham over “public horse trading” is fucking hilarious; they were forced down that route initially because the govt wouldn’t talk to them...so again your ire is in the wrong direction Actually it’s in the direction your bias wants it to be in. ”have a good evening” Shouldn’t have been any talking in the first place. Public health emergency not a fireside chat about what we are doing for summer holidays or next weekend. So my ire is directed exactly where it should be thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I agree. That said, there would have been howls of derision from the same people if they'd done that. Cant blame them for trying to get cooperation, but its not worked. After deals have been cracked with Liverpool, Lancashire and others, Burnham will look like the outlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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