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14 minutes ago, Ani said:

There will tiers in Dec. 
 

Tory seats will be allowed to open. 
Labour shut down. 
Liberal make their own mind up. 
Scotland open 12-12 (local choice if noon to midnight or midnight to noon)

Wales opening time based on pit shifts   So closed  

Ireland will be sold off to Europe by then. 

Lib Dem’s better start thinking now

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5 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

What are you basing that on? 

Have they backtracked on the announcement 

they are still doing trails, it was a press release ... there work as not been peer reviewed

This needs to be stored at -70 to -80, do you know of anywhere that as that capability, I would say there's is only a few places in the UK that as that capability at the moment, universities that are doing cryogenics are the most likely, but can see you going to your local GP for it

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-reality-behind-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-plan/ar-BB1aYUaI?ocid=msedgdhp

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3 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

they are still doing trails, it was a press release ... there work as not been peer reviewed

This needs to be stored at -70 to -80, do you know of anywhere that as that capability, I would say there's is only a few places in the UK that as that capability at the moment, universities that are doing cryogenics are the most likely, but can see you going to your local GP for it

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-reality-behind-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-plan/ar-BB1aYUaI?ocid=msedgdhp

Scottish government have confirmed they have already procured 8 I think it was specialist fridge industrial storage units to store the vaccine and are working on the transportation etc currently and will be ready for next month. I suspect England will have as well 

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10 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

they are still doing trails, it was a press release ... there work as not been peer reviewed

This needs to be stored at -70 to -80, do you know of anywhere that as that capability, I would say there's is only a few places in the UK that as that capability at the moment, universities that are doing cryogenics are the most likely, but can see you going to your local GP for it

Firstly, I appreciate it’s a press release but as a public listed company they have to be careful about what they say as it can impact a share price. If they come out on November 10th talking about December, shares go through the roof, the CEO sells a truck load then it’s pushed back to Summer they get fucked over big time by the authorities as it’s massively misleading. If they are talking December on the 10th of November then I’m inclined to believe them over you (no offence intended) 

Secondly, Chill factor? 

Joking aside the Cold storage stuff would have been known months ago and I’m sure preparations have been made so they can distribute accordingly. If they haven’t then they wouldn’t be talking December as they would know it’s pie in the sky. Besides, I’m led to believe that the final 48 hours prior to injection the vaccine can be stored in a normal refrigeration unit in a GP surgery so realistically you can store at one or a handful of distribution centres. We certainly don’t need to send a load of oldies into cryogenic freezers to get a vaccine 

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6 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s an utter disgrace if that happens. 

 

If the only thing that has changed in the past couple of weeks is the pubs shutting (which is basically the case) then what else can anyone put the reduction in the R rate down to?

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Firstly, I appreciate it’s a press release but as a public listed company they have to be careful about what they say as it can impact a share price. If they come out on November 10th talking about December, shares go through the roof, the CEO sells a truck load then it’s pushed back to Summer they get fucked over big time by the authorities as it’s massively misleading. If they are talking December on the 10th of November then I’m inclined to believe them over you (no offence intended) 

Secondly, Chill factor? 

Joking aside the Cold storage stuff would have been known months ago and I’m sure preparations have been made so they can distribute accordingly. If they haven’t then they wouldn’t be talking December as they would know it’s pie in the sky. Besides, I’m led to believe that the final 48 hours prior to injection the vaccine can be stored in a normal refrigeration unit in a GP surgery so realistically you can store at one or a handful of distribution centres. We certainly don’t need to send a load of oldies into cryogenic freezers to get a vaccine 

Hancock confirmed last night they have known about the storage requirement for some time. It is a challenge but something they are sure they can overcome. 
The vaccine does not need to stored at the mega low temps when it is being used so you need a few central storage points with quick distribution. 
 

The elephant in the room is what happens to the incoming distribution of the vaccine if ports are blocked post Brexit. Hancock said it could be flown in but haulage is preferred. 

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2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

What are you basing that on? 

Have they backtracked on the announcement 

One scientist was explaining the other day that the announcement was unique in this field of medicine as it hadn't finished trials/approval. Never done before this early. 

Tyldesley_white is correct, but there was also a bit of pressure from Pfizer in saying they would be looking for early approval because of the circumstances. 

Perhaps just trying to steal a march on the competition and get some money in.

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15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

One scientist was explaining the other day that the announcement was unique in this field of medicine as it hadn't finished trials/approval. Never done before this early. 

Tyldesley_white is correct, but there was also a bit of pressure from Pfizer in saying they would be looking for early approval because of the circumstances. 

Perhaps just trying to steal a march on the competition and get some money in.

The whole situation is quite unique 

it’s the first time we have shut down economies to deal with a virus, so the usual process for releasing a vaccine also needs to be flexed 

Still, if they don’t believe December is achievable then they can’t tell the markets (who own that business) otherwise 

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1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

The whole situation is quite unique 

it’s the first time we have shut down economies to deal with a virus, so the usual process for releasing a vaccine also needs to be flexed 

Still, if they don’t believe December is achievable then they can’t tell the markets (who own that business) otherwise 

Aye. Fwiw, I reckon bodies like the mhra will put extra people into the process to get it through ASAP. 

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