birch-chorley Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, gonzo said: Just said on tellybox deaths are closer to 75k rather than 50k. Aye, 75k excess deaths in 2020, to put it into context in 2018 we had 50k excess deaths, so not massively out of the ordinary. 2018 was put down mainly to a cold winter and an ineffective winter flu vaccine. Granted the excess deaths would have been much higher this year had we not completely smashed our economy into the worst recession in 300 years On another note, Pfizer now saying their vaccine is 94% effective in the vulnerable groups and they will have 10m doses available for the U.K. in 2020, absolutely fucking brilliant news GET THE BROCHURES OUT Edited November 18, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Cases down again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Only another 20k cases and 500 plus folk dead but Open the boozers alround eh 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Only another 20k cases and 500 plus folk dead but Open the boozers alround eh 🙄 Think the idea would be the get these 10m doses out first, they are due in a matter of days / weeks though, surely great news With the vulnerable about to get a vaccine you can make a decent case for easing restrictions this side of Xmas in line with tier 2 or 3, with further loosening in the new year when the rest of the vulnerable get sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Cases down again I actually don't care too much about cases Testing is a lot more widespread than first time round Even deaths, tragic as it is for those directly affected, 1000 folk die every day It may as well be covid as pneumonia or flu, which may well be the killer anyway Relevant figures are deaths and hospitalizations Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Think the idea would be the get these 10m doses out first, they are due in a matter of days / weeks though, surely great news With the vulnerable about to get a vaccine you can make a decent case for easing restrictions this side of Xmas in line with tier 2 or 3, with further loosening in the new year when the rest of the vulnerable get sorted I was being facetious mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Casino said: I actually don't care too much about cases Testing is a lot more widespread than first time round Even deaths, tragic as it is for those directly affected, 1000 folk die every day It may as well be covid as pneumonia or flu, which may well be the killer anyway Relevant figures are deaths and hospitalizations Imo Prefer less people getting it, which leads to fewer people getting hospitalised and then fewer people dying. At least if numbers are going down at one end, the other will reduce eventually, but you're right, it's all just random numbers in reality. The government will spin it whichever way suits them best. Think it's 4 wards full atm at Bolton, that's a lot more than seasonal flu and pneumonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 All it proves is that lockdowns and restrictions work. Doesnt actually improve our odds of normality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Prefer less people getting it, which leads to fewer people getting hospitalised and then fewer people dying. At least if numbers are going down at one end, the other will reduce eventually, but you're right, it's all just random numbers in reality. The government will spin it whichever way suits them best. Think it's 4 wards full atm at Bolton, that's a lot more than seasonal flu and pneumonia Random numbers? I think not. Countries that have performed the best, with fewer cases and deaths have done so for a variety of reasons that have given their positive results. Far from random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Cases are what drive decisions around the world. When cases go up, they are followed by hospitalisation then followed by deaths. When cases start to drop, the reverse happens. We’ve had this for 10 months now and still people don’t understand. Meanwhile in South Australia, they’ve had 36 cases. Time for a ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-australia-54983104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Cases are what drive decisions around the world. When cases go up, they are followed by hospitalisation then followed by deaths. When cases start to drop, the reverse happens. We’ve had this for 10 months now and still people don’t understand. Meanwhile in South Australia, they’ve had 36 cases. Time for a ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-australia-54983104 Amazing. Chalk and cheese in approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Random numbers? I think not. Countries that have performed the best, with fewer cases and deaths have done so for a variety of reasons that have given their positive results. Far from random. They've changed all the parameters that drive the data since this stared, it's now deaths within 28 days of a positive test. They don't retest people in Hopsital, They ignore the numbers if they don't suit and use the ones that do. Zero faith in the government in all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Casino said: I actually don't care too much about cases Testing is a lot more widespread than first time round Even deaths, tragic as it is for those directly affected, 1000 folk die every day It may as well be covid as pneumonia or flu, which may well be the killer anyway Relevant figures are deaths and hospitalizations Imo I agree Zico didn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boby Brno Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I agree Zico didn’t Cases are a prediction of what is to come. Deaths are the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 An interesting bit on T cell immunity: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: An interesting bit on T cell immunity: So basically the more exposed you are to different viruses, the stronger your immune system and the more able you are to fight it off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, only1swanny said: So basically the more exposed you are to different viruses, the stronger your immune system and the more able you are to fight it off.. Sounds like it. If you are a nurse for example coming into contact with lots of ill people I bet your immune system gets lots of practice 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 18, 2020 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/royal-bolton-hospital-now-five-19302212?fbclid=IwAR0erreVxz8GCiWJR1jL16lvob_FT2JZN-dAkAZ4jPgDtG1CChJsArs0yQc Five wards. Absolute lie about having no hospital based transmissions though, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 daughter got tested monday 8 at her place have in now was positive no signs whatever just got a cold that is it but they said its COVID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, only1swanny said: So basically the more exposed you are to different viruses, the stronger your immune system and the more able you are to fight it off.. I just thought it was useful that we might be getting to a place where we can begin to quantify the section of the population who might not be as at threat from the diseae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Boby Brno said: Cases are what drive decisions around the world. When cases go up, they are followed by hospitalisation then followed by deaths. When cases start to drop, the reverse happens. We’ve had this for 10 months now and still people don’t understand. Meanwhile in South Australia, they’ve had 36 cases. Time for a ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-australia-54983104 I applaud this approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, boltondiver said: I agree Zico didn’t Start at the source Kill the spread as early as possible Do what you can to quell cases and you will quell hospilsations and deaths No point in waiting for the latter two to rise before asking "what do we do to stop this?" Stable doors and horses bolting springs to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 News from across the pond, pfizer will be asking the FDA for emergency clearance at the end of this week, they are hoping at being able to use the vaccine in the 2nd or 3rd week in December, but that is still dependent on the FDA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 case if person is 90 is likely an issue 100 cases aged 20, likely isnt Youve got to dig deeper than cases Hospitalisation figures as a percentage of cases wil surely be lower this time round as we are now catching more of the young asymptomatics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said: News from across the pond, pfizer will be asking the FDA for emergency clearance at the end of this week, they are hoping at being able to use the vaccine in the 2nd or 3rd week in December, but that is still dependent on the FDA. i know somebody who thinks they are likely working boxing day giving out vax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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