Moderators Casino Posted November 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, only1swanny said: People who have the vaccine will still get it, still pass it on, it just wont be as severe. Pure speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, jules_darby said: No idea of post beginning of September but there’s a fair bit of press about release of figures then https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/male-suicides-at-highest-rate-in-two-decades-official-data-shows-12060928 One would not imagine it’s gone down since. And a lot of mental struggles brought on by the recent tiered limitations, lockdowns, affected social and business/job issues will be felt to come for years. Anecdotally, I have a friend who committed covid related suicide this summer and know a few folk through work that are suffering terribly with mental health ATM, miles more than I’ve ever known before Yes I’ve seen a similar report to that, that shows an increase last year and a decrease this year (2nd quarter) but them figures are to be taken with a pinch of salt as official reports can take upto 5 months. There’s many on social media using the “suicides are through the roof” to back up their argument but there’s nothing official yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 I haven't seen anything from official sources to say suicide rates are up. However you would have thought they would be. I know two marriages that have broken down in the last month that have surprised me, lockdown has certainly put a strain on folk. As someone who has suffered myself, I can only thank luck that (fingers crossed) I haven't been too bad, even with the shit weather and dark nights now. I think the kids have helped; we play darts, mobile games, wii, board games etc. Now they are older we enjoy watching the telly together too, Celebrity for example or Gogglebox with the eldest. Simple things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 hours ago, boltondiver said: The total number of people under 60 with no underlying health problems who died with Covid this year: 339 Define 'underlying'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: Define 'underlying'. Overweight Diabetic Heart problems chest problems disabilities mental health issues auto immune diseases people who are recovering or have cancer anyone who has severe medical needs. That's a lot of people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Casino said: Pure speculation It isnt. Unfortunately, until the vaccine is given en masse, it isn't known if it will stop illness and transmission or just illness. I dont understand how it can stop the illness but still allow transmission, but that comes from all those in the know. Its based on knowledge of these individuals so hardly speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I haven't seen anything from official sources to say suicide rates are up. However you would have thought they would be. I know two marriages that have broken down in the last month that have surprised me, lockdown has certainly put a strain on folk. As someone who has suffered myself, I can only thank luck that (fingers crossed) I haven't been too bad, even with the shit weather and dark nights now. I think the kids have helped; we play darts, mobile games, wii, board games etc. Now they are older we enjoy watching the telly together too, Celebrity for example or Gogglebox with the eldest. Simple things. On the flip side do you not think the lockdown may have helped in some cases? I know a few lads who have taken their own life over the years and the majority of them have been after a drug/drink fuelled session. Obviously the lockdown has had a knock on effect for the “seshhh” Theres also people who were close to losing their business pre COVID and were showing severe signs of depression yet now they have never been this well off. Edited November 21, 2020 by royal white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It isnt. Unfortunately, until the vaccine is given en masse, it isn't known if it will stop illness and transmission or just illness. I dont understand how it can stop the illness but still allow transmission, but that comes from all those in the know. Its based on knowledge of these individuals so hardly speculation. Its speculation We dont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, royal white said: On the flip side do you not think the lockdown may have helped in some cases? I know a few lads who have taken their own life over the years and the majority of them have been after a drug/drink fuelled session. Obviously the lockdown has had a knock on effect for the “seshhh” Theres also people who were close to losing their business pre COVID and were showing severe signs of depression yet now they have never been this well off. Was talking about this the other day and you’re right. I won’t lie, it’s not really caused me personally any hardship this year. I wouldn’t have chosen it, but like a good many people I know, the government have well and truly wrapped their arms around a huge amount of people. There are plenty who have suffered and of course died, but there’s no escaping the fact that this has been a very easy year for many. Not sure what the future holds, but you’re dead right that plenty secretly won’t be too bothered about a year off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spider said: Was talking about this the other day and you’re right. I won’t lie, it’s not really caused me personally any hardship this year. I wouldn’t have chosen it, but like a good many people I know, the government have well and truly wrapped their arms around a huge amount of people. There are plenty who have suffered and of course died, but there’s no escaping the fact that this has been a very easy year for many. Not sure what the future holds, but you’re dead right that plenty secretly won’t be too bothered about a year off. Of course 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Of course 😉 The sun even shines on a dog’s arse some days ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, royal white said: On the flip side do you not think the lockdown may have helped in some cases? I know a few lads who have taken their own life over the years and the majority of them have been after a drug/drink fuelled session. Obviously the lockdown has had a knock on effect for the “seshhh” Theres also people who were close to losing their business pre COVID and were showing severe signs of depression yet now they have never been this well off. Of course every case is different. However, the likes of the Samaritans have said calls to their helpline have increased this year especially when there have been extended restrictions. Like Spider has said, many people have done well despite or even because of Covid work wise. I know I have done OK and work is busier than ever and will get even more so thanks to Huawei being binned. But I think more will be worse off, if not financially then in other ways. I know personally some old folk who are feeling very low, it isn't nice to see a frail old dear cry from a distance. But my son has been really struggling and lockdown has been very difficult for him. Self isolation even more so. Thank god we have a camhs therapist already (12 month waiting list) and have the money to pay for a private counsellor also. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 Texting the family member who's in. Honestly would not wish this on anyone, in fact it's annoying me that there are covid deniers still. Apparently the staff there just look shattered and worn through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Texting the family member who's in. Honestly would not wish this on anyone, in fact it's annoying me that there are covid deniers still. Apparently the staff there just look shattered and worn through It is quite common in the wife's hospital for other wards to send pick'me'up gifts to ED (A&E) as they are so stretched all the time. They all now send them to ICU and Covid wards as they are overwhelmed. Fucking moonman who deny it's existence get right on my tits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Winchester White said: It is quite common in the wife's hospital for other wards to send pick'me'up gifts to ED (A&E) as they are so stretched all the time. They all now send them to ICU and Covid wards as they are overwhelmed. Fucking moonman who deny it's existence get right on my tits I've just sent in a big tub of heroes for one of the ward staff rooms, thought it was quite apt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Winchester White said: I haven't seen anything from official sources to say suicide rates are up. However you would have thought they would be. I know two marriages that have broken down in the last month that have surprised me, lockdown has certainly put a strain on folk. As someone who has suffered myself, I can only thank luck that (fingers crossed) I haven't been too bad, even with the shit weather and dark nights now. I think the kids have helped; we play darts, mobile games, wii, board games etc. Now they are older we enjoy watching the telly together too, Celebrity for example or Gogglebox with the eldest. Simple things. i don't get this. What were these marriages based on, if staying at home with family is straining..? If you're in a good relationship, spending more time with loved ones should be beneficial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, darwen_white said: i don't get this. What were these marriages based on, if staying at home with family is straining..? If you're in a good relationship, spending more time with loved ones should be beneficial Problem is there are a lot of bad relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted November 21, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, darwen_white said: i don't get this. What were these marriages based on, if staying at home with family is straining..? If you're in a good relationship, spending more time with loved ones should be beneficial Whilst I would agree, not every marriage is based on that. Both these had grown up kids who didn't need looking after so I wonder if they had grown apart long ago and life just cracked on for years. They then had to stick together for months and realised they just didn't click any more. Dunno. Every fucker is different I suppose. Loads of folk cheat and break up all the time. But January is the busiest month for family solicitors year in year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, only1swanny said: Problem is there are a lot of bad relationships. It's a bit unfair to blame the virus for breaking up a relationship, then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pm-set-to-announce-relaxation-of-uk-rules-over-christmas-but-englands-tier-system-will-be-strengthened-when-lockdown-ends-12138733 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 40 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pm-set-to-announce-relaxation-of-uk-rules-over-christmas-but-englands-tier-system-will-be-strengthened-when-lockdown-ends-12138733 What’s Tier 3 again? Is it much difference to what’s going on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, royal white said: What’s Tier 3 again? Is it much difference to what’s going on now? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55029401 better explained but sounds like before no beer unless eating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55029401 better explained but sounds like before no beer unless eating Scraps, pea wet and 10 pints it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Spider Posted November 22, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, boltondiver said: People are getting it from bars even though they’re closed??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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