Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I’m only going off what she said. Specifically said there has been no evidence given to her that the vaccine means you cannot catch or spread it. 

She also specifically said it simply meant in most cases it meant you could not become seriously ill from the virus. 
 

it’s clearly her belief based on what she’s been told by the scientists. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

It won’t stop cases as the vaccine doesn’t prevent the catching of the virus (apparently).  But will reduce hospitalizations. 

🥴Nonsense, who is your source Donald Trump?

[Escobarp]

Just now, Farrelli said:

🥴Nonsense, who is your source Donald Trump?

You can read I assume? If so do so 

[Farrelli]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m only going off what she said. Specifically said there has been no evidence given to her that the vaccine means you cannot catch or spread it. 

You may have a point regarding spreading it. According to some vaccine specialists on newsnight last night there has not been enough time to carry out meaningful studies.

[Ani]

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

how long will it take to do 70 million people twice 

you must be looking at over 12 months  

There is about 15m ((I think) who contribute 99% of deaths and serious illness. Just them done. 

[birch-chorley]

If the vaccine stops cases or not, it’s largely irrelevant 

How many people end up in hospital and how many people die are the Two key considerations that the government will be looking at 

If a vaccine means cases continue to increase but the flow into hospitals (and subsequent deaths) drops then the country will slowly move down the Tiers from next week as the vaccine is rolled out 

The criteria for Tiers will reflect the risk to the NHS in each area. Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated it won’t matter if cases sky rocket in the under 60’s as they won’t lead to an NHS collapse 

Edited December 3, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

You may have a point regarding spreading it. According to some vaccine specialists on newsnight last night there has not been enough time to carry out meaningful studies.

So why question the post then? 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Either way

How many people end up in hospital and how many people due are the Two key considerations 

If a vaccine means cases continue to increase but the flow into hospitals (and subsequent deaths) drops then the country will slowly move down the Tiers from next week

The criteria for Tiers will reflect the risk to the NHS. Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated it won’t matter if cases sky rocket in the under 60’s as they won’t lead to an NHS collapse 

Why will it happen from next week? 28 days from first jab til vaccine is effective then you have a lag in reporting of 2 weeks so by that calculation it’s 6 weeks from next week when we start to see any benefits?

[Farrelli]

Just now, Escobarp said:

So why question the post then? 

Because you said earlier the vaccine doesn’t prevent you catching it, which is nonsense. It is 90% effective in tests so far. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Because you said earlier the vaccine doesn’t prevent you catching it, which is nonsense. It is 90% effective in tests so far. 

I repeated what the first minister of Scotland said today. It isn’t my opinion. Unlike you I am not An expert. 
 

but if you agree it might not stop the spread. How can it spread if there is no infection in the first place? 

[Ani]

What is happening at the moment is pretty clear. 
 

Infections are dropping pretty quick and have been for about 20 days. which given the time of year is brilliant and proves lockdowns works. 
 

With Xmas coming and the vaccine ready to go there is a risk people are going to say ‘fuck it let’s have a proper Xmas’. This would reverse the trends we are currently seeing so the Govt are trying to cool down the excitement about the vaccine ( not delay anything !!). So instead of the message being ‘let’s go party’ it is ‘we are getting there lets not fuck it up now’ 

I think there are concerns about the testing of the Oxford vaccine as that is  so much easier to distribute. 

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I repeated what the first minister of Scotland said today. It isn’t my opinion. Unlike you I am not An expert. 
 

but if you agree it might not stop the spread. How can it spread if there is no infection in the first place? 

There can be no scientific evidence of what happens next as that has not been tested. A bit like saying 2 hours after a vindaloo there is no evidence my ring will be on fire.  
Only last few weeks have the results of the trial come out and then so few people actually got the virus it will months possibly years till we know future impacts. 

[Farrelli]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I repeated what the first minister of Scotland said today. It isn’t my opinion. Unlike you I am not An expert. 
 

but if you agree it might not stop the spread. How can it spread if there is no infection in the first place? 

Wtf are you talking about.

The vaccine has 90% effectiveness against catching the disease, immunisation only becomes effective after the second injection.  It is not yet known how long immunisation lasts for.

However, even after receiving the vaccine it may still be possible to spread the disease because studies so far are limited.

[Escobarp]

Just now, Ani said:

There can be no scientific evidence of what happens next as that has not been tested. A bit like saying 2 hours after a vindaloo there is no evidence my ring will be on fire.  
Only last few weeks have the results of the trial come out and then so few people actually got the virus it will months possibly years till we know future impacts. 

Listen I’ve as little an understanding about this topic as Certain posters display on most topics. I’m only putting out there what was said. 
 

i find it a really strange comment for her to make. And think she’s got mixed up somewhere with what’s been said. Or Ive taken it out of context in between watching it and keeping the wheels of industry turning 

[Ani]

Just now, Escobarp said:

Listen I’ve as little an understanding about this topic as Certain posters display on most topics. I’m only putting out there what was said. 
 

i find it a really strange comment for her to make. And think she’s got mixed up somewhere with what’s been said. Or Ive taken it out of context in between watching it and keeping the wheels of industry turning 

I know mate. I am just trying to make the point the politicians are IMO playing down the impact. So her saying ‘I have not seen any evidence’ is factually correct and helps keeps the lid on expectations. When referring to future transmissions. I do think the idea it does not stop infection is flawed as that is exactly what has been reported. 

[Escobarp]

 

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Wtf are you talking about.

The vaccine has 90% effectiveness against catching the disease, immunisation only becomes effective after the second injection.  It is not yet known how long immunisation lasts for.

However, even after receiving the vaccine it may still be possible to spread the disease because studies so far are limited.

I will repeat. I only repeated what had been said. It is not my opinion. I have no opinion on the vaccine as I know as much as you do about it. Fuck all 
 

but Your last point is actually my point in reality . If that point is correct and it proves possible that we can still spread it after the vaccine then cases might not drop as quickly which was the point I was making But time will Tell as it new to everyone and nobody but you and a select few others can predict the future  

 

Did you get dropped on your head as a child maybe? Because you cannot be this simple without some form of ailment?

[Escobarp]

Just now, Ani said:

I know mate. I am just trying to make the point the politicians are IMO playing down the impact. So her saying ‘I have not seen any evidence’ is factually correct and helps keeps the lid on expectations. When referring to future transmissions. I do think the idea it does not stop infection is flawed as that is exactly what has been reported. 

Agree i think it’s a mistake or Ive taken it wrongly. I have paid no attention to the vaccine and what it does etc I only now watch krankies updates on the topic as that is what directly effects me and what I can and can’t do. 
 

I haven’t watched or read any other news about it other than that for weeks now. I am scunnered with it all. 

[Farrelli]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 

I will repeat. I only repeated what had been said. It is not my opinion. I have no opinion on the vaccine as I know as much as you do about it. Fuck all 
 

but Your last point is actually my point in reality . If that point is correct and it proves possible that we can still spread it after the vaccine then cases might not drop as quickly which was the point I was making But time will Tell as it new to everyone and nobody but you and a select few others can predict the future  

 

Did you get dropped on your head as a child maybe? Because you cannot be this simple without some form of ailment?

seems like you are confused between catching (becoming ill) and spreading (passing to another person). Yes the latter part may still occur, we don't know yet. However, as more people become vaccinated the virus will not take hold in the population (it won't have a host to infect) and eventually infections will be low.  That is why vaccination will allow normal life to begin again. First we have to maintain vigilance and then roll out the vaccine as quick as possible.

[Escobarp]

Just now, Farrelli said:

seems like you are confused between catching (becoming ill) and spreading (passing to another person). Yes the latter part may still occur, we don't know yet. However, as more people become vaccinated the virus will not take hold in the population (it won't have a host to infect) and eventually infections will be low.  That is why vaccination will allow normal life to begin again. First we have to maintain vigilance and then roll out the vaccine as quick as possible.

No I’m not confused. Catching means you have the virus. It’s that simple. Doesn’t mean you get ill. They are two different things. What I heard today was that we may well still catch the virus post vaccine and possibly spread it but vaccinated people would in the main not fall seriously  ill which was the key aim 

 

could be horseshit. I don’t know. Just putting it out there 

[gonzo]

51 covid deaths at Blackpool Vic this week.

Bit shit that isnt it.

[Boby Brno]

13 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

No I’m not confused. Catching means you have the virus. It’s that simple. Doesn’t mean you get ill. They are two different things. What I heard today was that we may well still catch the virus post vaccine and possibly spread it but vaccinated people would in the main not fall seriously  ill which was the key aim 

 

could be horseshit. I don’t know. Just putting it out there 

Your not confused. JVT confirmed during the briefing that there is no firm evidence yet that, although people will be protected with the vaccine, they could not transmit it. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Because you said earlier the vaccine doesn’t prevent you catching it, which is nonsense. It is 90% effective in tests so far. 

It isnt.

Just been an explanation whereby the virus may still be 'caught' and multiply in the nose and possibly throat. Then expressed in the usual way. You won't become ill from it but may still spread it.

Personally, I dont understand that, as I would have thought the antibodies would nobble it and prevent it multiplying, but those that do know, say differently. 

[Spider]

I’ll go to the pubs when they’re open properly

Until then, we just have to put up with it.

Bored shitless though.

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Why will it happen from next week? 28 days from first jab til vaccine is effective then you have a lag in reporting of 2 weeks so by that calculation it’s 6 weeks from next week when we start to see any benefits?

According to the BBC...

‘The vaccine is given as two injections, 21 days apart, with the second dose being a booster. Immunity begins to kick in after the first dose but reaches its full effect seven days after the second dose.’

so from next week, as the most vulnerable will start to get vaccinated, they will have more immunity even after the first dose than they do now, reducing cases in the over 60’s almost immediately with a reduction in hospital admissions to follow 2 weeks behind (all be it reducing at a faster rate than that of cases in the +60 group) 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ll go to the pubs when they’re open properly

Until then, we just have to put up with it.

Bored shitless though.

Can't you sort a zoom piss up?

Get a delivery from a local brewery and arrange a time with like-minded individuals. Hardly ideal, but might break the monotony.