Coronavirus

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, ex_midlandwhite said:

Monday will be recording lessons and having my first of two covid tests of the week. We're expecting 400 kids in in Tuesday. So they'll be taught in school in their normal classes. So then in teh evenings we'll record lessons for the next day for kids that are learning at home.

School IT budgets just don't stretch to the fancy facilities of private sector so it isn't possible to simultaneously teach in the classroom and to the kids at home so it's all extra. Maybe teachers will get bonuses for the overtime like the civil servants have been (while they sit comfortably at home).

The headlines say schools are closed, the reality is far from it.

On some classes, lad could watch the teacher live, which helps (during isolation). Two of them watching, and could message each other as well as the teacher. Difficulty was for the teacher to interact with both the class and the two remote ones simultaneously. 

Certainly not easy for everyone to get all this stuff running smoothly. 

[ex_midlandwhite]

Yeah, we concluded that it was better to pre record the lesson for the kids to watch at home. Also for many families they don't have the facilities for two or more kids to work live at the same time.

It's fair to say that I don't feel the need to be handing any money back to the government as suggested by some though.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, ex_midlandwhite said:

Yeah, we concluded that it was better to pre record the lesson for the kids to watch at home. Also for many families they don't have the facilities for two or more kids to work live at the same time.

It's fair to say that I don't feel the need to be handing any money back to the government as suggested by some though.

Thing is, there is only so much that can be done in the time available. No one can be expected to get everything bob on all the time.

For example, more devices being provided, but sometimes no broadband.

In future, colleges, universities and employers are going to have to accept some gaps in the knowledge of their applicants and try to make up for it later.

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Be careful what you believe. 

A couple of epidemiologists were questioned about mixing vaccines- they explained that not only would it be safe, but it might be beneficial. Mhra didn't authorise its use in that way though, as no data available. Apparently, trials doing just this are underway though.

 

I trust the expertise of Whitty, Van Tam etc. enough to be content that they think it's safe. But it certainly seems unusual that we're expecting to give tens of millions of people a vaccine in a way that isn't recommended by the manufacturer and has never been tested.

If anything were to go wrong with this vaccine, the result would be horrendous both now and for any future vaccines that we might need.

It's probably a sign of just how dire the situation is likely to become over the next few weeks, that this is the least worst option.

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Thing is, there is only so much that can be done in the time available. No one can be expected to get everything bob on all the time.

For example, more devices being provided, but sometimes no l.

In future, colleges, universities and employers are going to have to accept some gaps in the knowledge of their applicants and try to make up for i

Ignore

Edited January 2, 2021 by only1swanny
Far too whiny

[Roger_Dubuis]

49 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

We're facing issues from gaps already. These worst hit are year 10 who have to learn at a fast pace. 

They gave either missed the learning steps from last year, or become so detached from learning maths that they have had to recover it. Dont use a skill and it takes a while to come back. Just making headway by end if December and this will set it back. 

Guarantee that about 50% of kids will not access the learning,  I will chase it up, parents will nag kids, kids will argue and it wont get done. Kids then believe that they can argue out of doing work and when they return to school, that becomes their go to when they don't like having to work. 

Hence me having 4 months of stress, being insulted, sworn at and abused by kids who feel they don't have to learn and have forgotten shed loads. 

Added onto that, the last year group skipped their exams. 

Also spending copious amounts if time getting year 11 in the right place for exams that they might not take  and ensuring they are working their socks off now, just in case. 

To enable a curate results should there be no exams, we are having to create data, through assessment after assessment and being held accountable for any deviation from flight paths.  Harold has a target grade of 7 based off his SATS however for 6 months he's done nothing and now doesn't see the point, but yet he needs that 7... and any behaviour issues are simply that I'm not teaching to his ideal learning style to engage him.. if course he us one from 20+ kids. 

There is also limited capacity for consequences ie detention, isolation as year groups can't be mixed and gave to leave at set times.  So we have to use detentions sparingly.. so no homework done.. we record that.. second week .. record it.. etc. I was sworn at 3 times in the last week with kids becoming aggressive. All because I challenged them about not wearing a mask. Which there are far more kids refusing to do than what you would think. 

Schools are not allowed to exclude kids that refuse and as they are kids there is no escalation from refusal. So nothing that can be done. So when you are walking through a corridor passing 200 kids, with about 10/15 not wearing a mask, it then becomes unsafe. There is no way of tracking where those kids have been outside of classrooms. Its simply not safe... but kids being off will make our jobs much more difficult when they come back. 

One of the lads in Eccles said an 8 year old girl in his lads class said "Fuck you fat bitch" to her school teacher the other week,Unthinkable in previous generations

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

One of the lads in Eccles said an 8 year old girl in his lads class said "Fuck you fat bitch" to her school teacher the other week,Unthinkable in previous generations

If I heard my 9 year old swear he would be in serious shit. If he spoke to a teacher like that then I would be taking a bloody long look at myself as to why and how such a situation arose.

[desperado]

8 hours ago, stevieb said:

Cunts. 

 

That’s really harsh and I hope it’s just an emotional response based on your personal circumstances, in which I wish you and your wife all the best and having our children back in school would help us all.

But schools are a breeding ground. I Don’t know if you followed my personal story, but my teacher wife ended up in MRI with Covid Pneumonia. I wouldn’t wish this upon anyone. For wanting to keep ourselves and the children, parents and communities we service, safe, we are not cunts

3 hours ago, Big E said:

My point is people demanding to be off work but nobody is offering to be furloughed. 

We are not “off work” swanning around having a holiday. I thought furlough was where the job stopped/paused. That hasn’t happened in education as @only1swanny as highlighted.
 

We’d much rather be in school face to face teaching. But while there is a much safer (albeit far from ideal) alternative, in the short term while the virus is wreaking havoc, the virtual learning should be the way to go until either the virus subsides or systems such as testing/vaccinations become much better.

 

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

If I heard my 9 year old swear he would be in serious shit. If he spoke to a teacher like that then I would be taking a bloody long look at myself as to why and how such a situation arose.

In reality, if your kid said that to a teacher you'd more likely be the sort of parent who didn't give a shit

[Casino]

11 minutes ago, desperado said:

the virtual learning should be the way to go until either the virus subsides or systems such as testing/vaccinations become much better.

 

ive come round to this way of thinking, but only in conjunction with financial support/legal protection for parents forced to stay off work

I do find wfh types are among the most keen to see education 'crack on' while they dont have to take any risks themselves

Edited January 2, 2021 by Casino

[London Wanderer]

5 hours ago, Big E said:

Will these teachers be giving back their pay ? Seems mad how many teachers have been able to stay home on full pay, many of whom ignore the rules and tier hop for activities / walks

Fucks sake 😆 Here we go again.

Remote teaching was one of the most stressful times of my career. Up there with my training year.

Give me the classroom over remote learning anyday. Everyone wants an end to this. But it's about the medical advice, not want we want. Hopefully it won't be longer than a couple of weeks.

[Escobarp]

Wfh types 🤣🤣🤣🤣. New levels of sweeping generalisations reached 

[desperado]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

betterive come round to this way of thinking, 

Did she pin you down and beat you up until you came around to her way of thinking 😂

[jules_darby]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Fucks sake 😆 Here we go again.

Remote teaching was one of the most stressful times of my career. Up there with my training year.

Give me the classroom over remote learning anyday. Everyone wants an end to this. But it's about the medical advice, not want we want. Hopefully it won't be longer than a couple of weeks.

But Wimbledon is still 6-7 months off...🎣

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

But Wimbledon is still 6-7 months off...🎣

😆

[Casino]

12 minutes ago, desperado said:

Did she pin you down and beat you up until you came around to her way of thinking 😂

Ive listened to the arguments and given up

[Winchester White]

17 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

In reality, if your kid said that to a teacher you'd more likely be the sort of parent who didn't give a shit

Aye, fair one.

There are some right scutters out there who don't give two shits about their kids.

[Mounts Kipper]

5 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Worked all way through and will be continuing to do so. 

Planned 4 lessons for Tuesday recorded them on loom and uploaded ready to go. On Tiesday I will be in school recording Wednesdays 5 lessons, checking work had been done and contacting home parents of kids who have not. That alongose recording mini videos for kids that are struggling and providing feedback for the ones who have.  

Rather have kids in school, all my videos are open to scrutiny, much more stressful recording a 15 min video than teaching in front if a class.

But schools are not safe, 

I’m with you on this, it’s only matter of time before the new strain is present in the north west, the fact it’s very easily transmitted is a game changer, it makes sense to use this term to vaccinate as many folk as possible and by the end of February I think we should be near to the end. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Ignore

I've read it below. I think you're dead right- its what I was saying about you not being able to do everything- its bloody impossible and unfair.

Unfortunately, It's a sign of the society we have: a sense of entitlement and not enough self responsibility. The world is facing a shitty situation, but so many crack on as if it is entirely someone else's responsibility to provide the perfect life for them. 

Loads of help and flexibility from the education system, but at the same time too many kids not doing their bit. Whether that's a reflection of the parents or whatever doesn't matter. 

You can only be expected to go so far; if kids don't put the effort in they shouldn't be mollycoddled and excused so much.

Allowances may be made in grading etc (like last year) and that's good, but its a 2 way street; if folk want something they have to be prepared to put some effort in.

[Guest]

Are the scientists saying close all schools around the country? 
 

I don’t think so

 

Are the Unions? Yes

its political 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Are the scientists saying close all schools around the country? 
 

I don’t think so

 

Are the Unions? Yes

its political 

Sage have recommended schools close. 

[tyldesley_white]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m with you on this, it’s only matter of time before the new strain is present in the north west, the fact it’s very easily transmitted is a game changer, it makes sense to use this term to vaccinate as many folk as possible and by the end of February I think we should be near to the end. 

Not a hope in hell, this new variant is going to attack every age group not just the over 80's ( im using as evidence to what is happening this side of the pond), so if you need 70 % to 75% for herd immunity , then you are going to have to ramp up getting people injected, that's around 50m give or take a few, that's about 6 million a week ( taking 8 weeks) 885k a day

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Are the scientists saying close all schools around the country? 
 

I don’t think so

 

Are the Unions? Yes

its political 

Are the scientists recommending people wear masks when in doors and close to others though?

Yes.

I accept that doing so makes teaching a bit more difficult, but they so it in other countries and make the best of it.

I also believe they will have had input into the decision to delay the start of the term, as well as the introduction of testing to help keep more positives away and keep schools open.

Really do see the new strain as a bit of a game changer that may necessitate a change to protocols.

Either that, or just tighten up/lockdown for a last time and nail the vaccinations. 

Edited January 2, 2021 by Tonge moor green jacket

[desperado]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Are the scientists saying close all schools around the country? 
 

Yes

From the NEU email

We now know that SAGE also called for all schools to be closed in January to keep the R rate below 1. This advice was issued on 22 December and ministers have done little to follow it. 

 

The science now tells us that, although children largely do not become ill with Covid-19, they spread it to others. To their parents, their families and into their communities.

 

That is why SAGE wanted schools to close – as a way of keeping the public safe. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, desperado said:

Yes

From the NEU email

We now know that SAGE also called for all schools to be closed in January to keep the R rate below 1. This advice was issued on 22 December and ministers have done little to follow it. 

 

The science now tells us that, although children largely do not become ill with Covid-19, they spread it to others. To their parents, their families and into their communities.

 

That is why SAGE wanted schools to close – as a way of keeping the public safe. 

But the r rate at the moment is what? 
 

that is just a genuine question wasn’t actually meaning to quote you or respond to your post 

Edited January 2, 2021 by Escobarp