Moderators Zico Posted January 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, peelyfeet said: I think the west has fucked up massivley - China and South Korea told the world back in Februray, that the spread was airborne - On the 3rd of March Boris held a press conference telling us that he was shaking hands with patients in hospitals. There were videos from experts in the UK like the one below, videos coming out of the east showing how to deal with this - severe lockdown, mask up, close the borders, test, isolate, chase down the cases, open up when you have zero cases, not when youve still got at least 500 testing positive every day. If John Campbell, a retired nurse from Carlisle knew what was going on back in Feb, the government knew too. On the 3rd of March Boris held a press conference telling us that he was shaking hands with patients in hospitals. Right up until early winter we've had folk, government, general public, business owners etc saying it's safe to go to pubs and restaurants and school and work, the supermarket, abroad, church etc whilst there was still underlying cases every day - everyone pushing their own agenda - pub and restaurant owners saying they were safe for example, making pie charts out of cherry picked data - it's a fucking virus that hangs around in the air inside enclosed spaces. If you go into a room where someone has breathed out viral particles earlier on, you might breath them in - that's it in a nutshell, and we've know this for almost a year. Everything should have been based on improving ventilation, minimising indoor time. I'm not blaming Boris, most of the west and initially the WHO has consitently wanted to open up as soon as possible, lockdown late, because they wanted to protect the economy first. who the fuck was telling Boris what to say - why did they ignore the approach of countries that were successful - that is what will come out in the end all very good points you give some leeway because it's the first time it's happened to us but you could see it sweeping over from the east, through Europe to the UK, and we didn't even take notice of what was happening in Italy and Spain said at the time, there won't be a second wave when we came out of lockdown in the summer, because the first one hadn't even finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 21, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, DazBob said: Hmmm. Not sure we should be following Japan's lead. They fuck dolphins' blowholes and stick octopi up their minges - The Gonzo has shown me the videos. Kin’ell the New Michael Palin documentaries are a bit risqué Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted January 21, 2021 Members Share Posted January 21, 2021 Another covid ward has been opened at the hospital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 21, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, bolton_blondie said: Another covid ward has been opened at the hospital Was told today 14 in ICU/ventilation. Nurses are fucked and suffering 😢. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Have you forgotten kent's post about this months ago? PHE locally had been decimated by previous cuts/changes. Staff numbers weren't available to do all the testing/tracing. Looking back now, obviously it would have been better if they had been. However, something had to be done- the testing industry has been built up very well. The tracing bit, much less so, clearly. Several times a week I go past the testing centre at leverhulme park: Well organised, lots of staff directing cars. Poor buggers out in all weathers, having to speak to every driver- however small, that still represents more risk than most of us have to put up with. I think the criticism aimed at some of these people is hugely unreasonable. Moreover, we would probably have had to expand PHE provision any how, which would have required time. Be good to see what the eventual inquiry comes up with, and what recommendations it makes for the future. I don't think the criticism was aimed at them, was it? Edited January 21, 2021 by Lt. Aldo Raine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Mentioned today in briefing people impersonating others at vaccine sites to jump the queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted January 21, 2021 Members Share Posted January 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Was told today 14 in ICU/ventilation. Nurses are fucked and suffering 😢. Its shit. I feel so guilty I can't go to the covid+ patients on our caseload and the other girls are having to pick up 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 21, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't think the criticism was aimed at them, was it? Its continuous in the HoC. Private sector bad. Public sector good. I'm quite a keen proponent of the public sector; its responsible for a lot of good stuff and is often better than private. That doesn't mean the private sector is automatically and though. We need both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Its continuous in the HoC. Private sector bad. Public sector good. I'm quite a keen proponent of the public sector; its responsible for a lot of good stuff and is often better than private. That doesn't mean the private sector is automatically and though. We need both. But it isn't the people on the front line they're criticising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 21, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: But it isn't the people on the front line they're criticising. That's not how it comes across. The constant suggestion that company x isn't up to the job is a criticism of all, without specific details. It's too easy to use them as a punch bag to push the line that public sector is always best. In the instance of tracing for example, clearly more boots on the ground of local phe groups would have been preferable. However, with the huge numbers involved, some centralised tracing proved necessary under the circumstances. Not necessarily been particularly great, but given the tools available at the time, needs must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: all very good points [B]you give some leeway because it's the first time it's happened to us[/B] but you could see it sweeping over from the east, through Europe to the UK, and we didn't even take notice of what was happening in Italy and Spain said at the time, there won't be a second wave when we came out of lockdown in the summer, because the first one hadn't even finished You can give some leeway that the first time this happened to us was in March. Less so about letting it happen to us again, eight months later. Hopefully the next time people will take it seriously from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That's not how it comes across. The constant suggestion that company x isn't up to the job is a criticism of all, without specific details. It's too easy to use them as a punch bag to push the line that public sector is always best. In the instance of tracing for example, clearly more boots on the ground of local phe groups would have been preferable. However, with the huge numbers involved, some centralised tracing proved necessary under the circumstances. Not necessarily been particularly great, but given the tools available at the time, needs must. It seems fairly clear to me that it's the lack of infrastructure which is being criticised rather than the people on the ground taking the swabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 A Government poll suggests that just 17% of people with symptoms are booking a test. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Ani said: Mentioned today in briefing people impersonating others at vaccine sites to jump the queue. Any particular groups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Any particular groups? the ones that all look the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Horwich Posted January 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 14/01/2021 at 18:02, Casino said: It varies area to area Lots of GPs didnt get involved at the beginning I believe Horwich is just starting My mum had hers today. Horwich RMI currently being used for the vaccines. Starting at the Reebok soon aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Israel way ahead in the vax stakes, but cases aren't coming down as yet Edited January 21, 2021 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, little whitt said: the ones that all look the same chinese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, little whitt said: the ones that all look the same How do they determine who’s behind the letter box? Impossible isn’t it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1969 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Horwich said: My mum had hers today. Horwich RMI currently being used for the vaccines. Starting at the Reebok soon aswell. My dads booked in at Reebok next Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Any particular groups? Nothing mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2021 Noted that the "deliverer of bad news" Dr Fauci is back on our screens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Noted that the "deliverer of bad news" Dr Fauci is back on our screens Thought that was @Farrelli? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Ani said: Mentioned today in briefing people impersonating others at vaccine sites to jump the queue. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/covid-vaccine-queue-jump-it-loophole-b900458.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 21, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It seems fairly clear to me that it's the lack of infrastructure which is being criticised rather than the people on the ground taking the swabs. The lack of infrastructure is a separate discussion to the response. Even whitty was questioned early doors about his approach. As he explained, "I had to deal with the situation as presented". No doubt that inadequate resources available at the start- but the constant drip feed of criticism of these companies is there for anyone to see. It's quite shameful. I took the trouble of having more of a look on government website- there are hundreds of companies and individuals approved to help out with the response. During statements and questions- its more political ideology- why are we using private companies and not what we have. Which misses the point, they didn't exist. At the end of all this, we will see what happens to public health and associated resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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