Coronavirus

[stevieb]

I was under the impression that you can travel without medication though. It's wise you have it but you don't have to prove you've had it.

Dunno. Seems like an erosion of liberties just for me to go and eat gammon and eggs on the Costa whilst reading the mirror

[little whitt]

20 minutes ago, gonzo said:

All going to be over by end of April all this.

Mark my words.

 

April 2022

[Casino]

6 minutes ago, stevieb said:

I was under the impression that you can travel without medication though. It's wise you have it but you don't have to prove you've had it.

Dunno. Seems like an erosion of liberties just for me to go and eat gammon and eggs on the Costa whilst reading the mirror

Dead easy, dont go to spain

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Dead easy, dont go to spain

What a fackin liberty

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Spider said:

If you want to go to the Far East, you need injections.

I can confirm you don’t. But I agree that anyone capable of having this vaccine should be having it or they shouldn’t have access to the same freedoms as those who have had it. 
 

we’ve all been locked away for best part of a year for this bastard virus a jab is the least folk can be getting so we don’t have to do through this again 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fuck the party line, they have a very valid point and are correct to call this as they see it, once over 50s vaccinated no reason not to open up the economy, this has gone on more than long enough. 

I understand your frustration. 

I'll put up a quick scenario.

We've recently had over 60000 cases per day, and a number over 50000, this during tight tiered restrictions whilst the new variant ran amok.

Getting a good chunk of the population done is clearly helpful, but if the rest are then able to go about lives as usual, with no restrictions, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect tens of thousands of cases per day again.

Let's assume 40000, with 10000 in the 30s age group, another 10000 in the 40s group, the rest below 30.

In the 30s age group, 3.4% of them are hospitalised (from research stats). That's 340 per day. In the 40s its will be higher. Chuck in those from the lower age groups and that's possibly 800+ per day, going into hospital.

Even if you halved that, its still high, and the opposite of what's needed to get the treatment backlog reduced.

Also remember, that vaccinations can't be given whilst infected, and workers will be off sick affecting the economy. 

Fewer deaths obviously, but more prolonged treatment from burned-out staff, and potential for long term effects too.

It would be disastrous politically, and not guaranteed to help the economy in the long run.

 

Edited February 15, 2021 by Tonge moor green jacket

[jmjhb]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

Dead easy, dont go to spain

I just see it as essentially being the same deal as private businesses enforcing the rules as strict or as lax as they like. Every country will be different.

Want an easier life or more choice of destinations? Get the fucking jab

Edited February 15, 2021 by jmjhb

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

It makes absolute sense.

Does it not go against your general libertarian outlook though BD?

I am not trying to be a dick about it, it's just a thought that popped into my head. 

Of course, but it will enable greater freedom for more people.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

I just see it as the same deal as private businesses enforcing the rules how they like. Every country will be different.

Want an easier life or more choice? Get the fucking jab

👍

[little whitt]

On 09/02/2021 at 12:48, little whitt said:

got told yesterday some bird had a 30th birthday party 

one girl had it 

so they all got it about 10 of them 

said bird took her dog vets and did a big shop knowing she had it  

you know the type  lots of make up false lips nails the lot 

just got told bird whos party it was 

is in hospital bad with it now

two others bad with it and one has give it her son  who is bad with it 

[wiggy]

17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I understand your frustration. 

I'll put up a quick scenario.

We've recently had over 60000 cases per day, and a number over 50000, this during tight tiered restrictions whilst the new variant ran amok.

Getting a good chunk of the population done is clearly helpful, but if the rest are then able to go about lives as usual, with no restrictions, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect tens of thousands of cases per day again.

Let's assume 40000, with 10000 in the 30s age group, another 10000 in the 40s group, the rest below 30.

In the 30s age group, 3.4% of them are hospitalised (from research stats). That's 340 per day. In the 40s its will be higher. Chuck in those from the lower age groups and that's possibly 800+ per day, going into hospital.

Even if you halved that, its still high, and the opposite of what's needed to get the treatment backlog reduced.

Also remember, that vaccinations can't be given whilst infected, and workers will be off sick affecting the economy. 

Fewer deaths obviously, but more prolonged treatment from burned-out staff, and potential for long term effects too.

It would be disastrous politically, and not guaranteed to help the economy in the long run.

 

Exactly this. Whilst the vaccine is fucking brilliant we are still talking about it being effective about 90% of the time. Which means that 1 in 10 vulnerable people are still going to be in trouble if they get it. We still need to try and minimise the number of cases in circulation. We’re close to getting this under control but we need to do it properly or there’s a danger we will just going to end up back here again. No reason at all why we should end up in lockdown again but it’s going to need people to play ball. Get your vaccine as soon as you can regardless of how old you are. Get your vaccine as soon as you can regardless of how many other people have already had it. And don’t all demand to pile in to nightclubs and cinemas next week. Strong leadership needed for the next couple of months so we can all get back to normalish life as soon as is possible.

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I understand your frustration. 

I'll put up a quick scenario.

We've recently had over 60000 cases per day, and a number over 50000, this during tight tiered restrictions whilst the new variant ran amok.

Getting a good chunk of the population done is clearly helpful, but if the rest are then able to go about lives as usual, with no restrictions, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect tens of thousands of cases per day again.

Let's assume 40000, with 10000 in the 30s age group, another 10000 in the 40s group, the rest below 30.

In the 30s age group, 3.4% of them are hospitalised (from research stats). That's 340 per day. In the 40s its will be higher. Chuck in those from the lower age groups and that's possibly 800+ per day, going into hospital.

Even if you halved that, its still high, and the opposite of what's needed to get the treatment backlog reduced.

Also remember, that vaccinations can't be given whilst infected, and workers will be off sick affecting the economy. 

Fewer deaths obviously, but more prolonged treatment from burned-out staff, and potential for long term effects too.

It would be disastrous politically, and not guaranteed to help the economy in the long run.

 

we are currently at average 12k infections per day for all ages, not sure how you think we are going to get 20k per day in the under 40s infection rates are tailing off rapidly, it’s still 2 weeks before we plan to begin easing, I’d expecting rates will be halved again in 2 weeks, that’s 6k total for all ages I would think less than half that figure would be 40 and under, for arguments sake let’s say 4K of which you say 3.4% require hospitalisation that’s 132 per day, life is full of uncertainty’s and risks, lockdown must be balanced against the risks involved, in my opinion these type of numbers don’t justify continuing lockdown. 

[Zico]

16 minutes ago, little whitt said:

just got told bird whos party it was 

is in hospital bad with it now

two others bad with it and one has give it her son  who is bad with it 

Pubs aren't opening in April 

Especially when it's the younger ones who'll be going and mostly refusing vaccines 

Two jabs, then start to open up 

If you've not had two jabs, fuck off

[wiggy]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

we are currently at average 12k infections per day for all ages, not sure how you think we are going to get 20k per day in the under 40s infection rates are tailing off rapidly, it’s still 2 weeks before we plan to begin easing, I’d expecting rates will be halved again in 2 weeks, that’s 6k total for all ages I would think less than half that figure would be 40 and under, for arguments sake let’s say 4K of which you say 3.4% require hospitalisation that’s 132 per day, life is full of uncertainty’s and risks, lockdown must be balanced against the risks involved, in my opinion these type of numbers don’t justify continuing lockdown. 

I think he’s saying that if we follow the back benchers then they would have us returning to normal before the majority of people have had their first vaccination and certainly before even the most vulnerable have had their second jab. With the amount of virus still in circulation then it wouldn’t take long with normal life to return to some high numbers of cases. How many times do we need to see spiralling numbers before some people will understand?

[Escobarp]

Up here they are saying if we can get it under control we will be able to holiday in the uk. That’s the golden ticket we are being sold as the dream for this year 

[e2e4]

why dont Uyghurs Muslims just convert to whatever religion Han Chinese follow ?

if they dont wanna live in them "vocational and education training centers" they can just do it , its easy, and its better for the rest of the chinese population , too. 

 

[stevieb]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Up here they are saying if we can get it under control we will be able to holiday in the uk. That’s the golden ticket we are being sold as the dream for this year 

The dream is a week in Blackpool...🤣 

To be honest gonzo sold the May Bank Holiday weekender at the golden Eagle to me on the beer garden thread. Sounds fucking ace! 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

we are currently at average 12k infections per day for all ages, not sure how you think we are going to get 20k per day in the under 40s infection rates are tailing off rapidly, it’s still 2 weeks before we plan to begin easing, I’d expecting rates will be halved again in 2 weeks, that’s 6k total for all ages I would think less than half that figure would be 40 and under, for arguments sake let’s say 4K of which you say 3.4% require hospitalisation that’s 132 per day, life is full of uncertainty’s and risks, lockdown must be balanced against the risks involved, in my opinion these type of numbers don’t justify continuing lockdown. 

You're on about opening up completely!!

Our current figures are during a lockdown.

You're undermining your own argument because its based around lockdown success.

All that goes out of the window once back to an open society; and bare in mind that much of the transmission now is work based- ramp that up massively once the pubs are open and more are back in work.

Then remember the huge concern over variants: as was intimated at the briefing, high cases means more variants. We only need a nasty one to bugger up vaccine programme.

My scenario is based around what we've seen recently and factual information from official data; there's no uncertainty that cases will rocket under your proposal. 

Getting those estimates from modelling and balancing the risks is the duty of medical and government officials- there's not a chance in hell of everything going back to normal in a couple of months or so.

[Spider]

We’re not going abroad this year.

Not without some proper hassle and not until August or September at the earliest.

[Escobarp]

Just now, stevieb said:

The dream is a week in Blackpool...🤣 

To be honest gonzo sold the May Bank Holiday weekender at the golden Eagle to me on the beer garden thread. Sounds fucking ace! 

 

Yep a caravan could be the order of the day and a weekend at the golden eagle. Gonzo sat in the corner scowling at folk invading his space 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Up here they are saying if we can get it under control we will be able to holiday in the uk. That’s the golden ticket we are being sold as the dream for this year 

I think that's the aim all over. I'm booked in for late June; doubtful at the moment I reckon, but perhaps late summer.

Guessing though.

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Yep a caravan could be the order of the day and a weekend at the golden eagle. Gonzo sat in the corner scowling at folk invading his space 

At Fleetwood away a few years back when we all invaded he was proud as fuck! 

[fatty]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I don’t think anyone accused people saying there’d be vaccine “passports” of being tinfoilers.

It makes sense.

The tinfoilers think it’s about population control and infringement of freedoms.

Well dead fucking right. Have the vaccine and don’t be a cunt would be my response.

If you want to live in a society like ours, there are always going to be certain responsibilities you adhere to in order to reap the benefits of that society. Some legal, some moral.

This is one of those responsibilities.

But, you are free to decline one. Equally, the majority of society are then free to tell you to stay the fuck out of their restaurants and off their planes.

No freedoms are being removed.

👏🏼 

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, Zico said:

Pubs aren't opening in April 

 

The brewery hierarchy seem to they will be. 

 

[gonzo]

Just now, stevieb said:

At Fleetwood away a few years back when we all invaded he was proud as fuck! 

Haha that was class