Moderators Zico Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Casino said: Oh he has But he's happy enough with that Hes not on his own tbf But im not with him 30k more deaths Not for me Probably be another lockdown too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: It isn’t on the programme for everyone to be vaxxed Why not wait till priority groups are done? They are priority for a reason Then give it it to teachers Then open schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, peelyfeet said: It's not happening - they know loads more people may die because they haven't been vaccinated in time, but it seems they would rather chance that than delay opening up a bit. The modelling reports I'm looking at do not look good at all - which is probably why they're doing the 5 week review between each unlocking. I just don't unerstand the strategy, schools are a high risk, Sage say it going to increase the R rate by bettwen 10% and 50% - so why not vaccinate the teachers and parents if you wan them open early? I don't get it - they could do the teachers in a weekend. They can't do the parents in a weekend And most parents of school age kids aren't likely to be hospitalised, I dont think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zico said: Why not wait till priority groups are done? They are priority for a reason Then give it it to teachers Then open schools I'd happily keep schools shut if I can go for a meal Doesn't affect me one bit But I still think they need to go back asap Edited February 22, 2021 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I get what you mean but pubs and restaurants are not clinically managed environments. Some are very well run and socially distanced of course but many are a free for all. The end of the day, kids education is going to come before a pint or a meal. Still think it is risky though, maybe just year 11 first then other years after Easter would be better? If it’s a decision based on where and how virus spreads then it’s clear to me schools will spread the virus widely, while restaurants & pubs are much safer, any bars flouting social distancing etc close them down and fine them. It’s a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Zico said: Why not wait till priority groups are done? They are priority for a reason Then give it it to teachers Then open schools THE priority groups are done Lower priority groups to come My estimate is that cases, hospitalisations and deaths will continue to plummet. and that the opening up will be too cautious, but I think that the populous wants caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 Tbf to zico, the priority groups aren't done All over 50s and those with issues Thems priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Boris “all the evidence says schools are safe” lying bastard. Edited February 22, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Casino said: They can't do the parents in a weekend And most parents of school age kids aren't likely to be hospitalised, I dont think The hospitalisations in under 50s isn't much different than 50-69 - (it's a lot lower than the over 70s,) but the deaths are much lower - the hsopitals will be busy but much less deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Zico said: The flaw in the plan Nothing should be relaxed till at least the first jab phase is complete And then only relaxed for those who have had it - schools, hospitality, non essentials, the lot Those that don't have it for whatever reason should have to wait till everyone else has had two Aye nae bother 👍🏼 why don’t we keep kids off and allow those without kids to go about their daily lives as normal while you all sit in? Why should I be sat in so kids can to school? see how it works both ways eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If it’s a decision based on where and how virus spreads then it’s clear to me schools will spread the virus widely, while restaurants & pubs are much safer, any bars flouting social distancing etc close them down and fine them. It’s a shambles. The science doesn't back up the claim.about schools I'm afraid. Universities, yes, but not schools. Which is why the unions has lost a bit of sway with the public. I can't believe this but I'm behind the government on this. Its not a shambles, you just don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 I'll trust your numbers peely but how many of those are in the 16 to 64 risk group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Boris “all the evidence says schools are safe” lying bastard. It’s true, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: The hospitalisations in under 50s isn't much different than 50-69 - (it's a lot lower than the over 70s,) but the deaths are much lower - the hsopitals will be busy but much less deaths. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: It’s true, though It is, Mounts, have a listen to the scientists on more or less. It's not something that will lead to a.spike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, boltondiver said: THE priority groups are done Lower priority groups to come My estimate is that cases, hospitalisations and deaths will continue to plummet. and that the opening up will be too cautious, but I think that the populous wants caution. Followed by https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-55586994 "there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said: It is, Mounts, have a listen to the scientists on more or less. It's not something that will lead to a.spike. have a read of what sage think, if you can be arsed, its not a light read! https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963381/S1102_Children_s_Task_and_Finish_Group_update_to_17th_December_2020_paper_on_children__schools_and_transmission.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Zico said: Followed by https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-55586994 "there has been a steep rise in the numbers of people in their mid-40s to mid-60s becoming seriously ill with Covid and being admitted to intensive care units." As I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Aye nae bother 👍🏼 why don’t we keep kids off and allow those without kids to go about their daily lives as normal while you all sit in? Why should I be sat in so kids can to school? see how it works both ways eh No Get the priority groups sorted, then start to relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 22, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: As I said Cases in the "lower" priority group have been going up this year Sage estimate 30k more deaths or more That's not what you said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: have a read of what sage think, if you can be arsed, its not a light read! https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963381/S1102_Children_s_Task_and_Finish_Group_update_to_17th_December_2020_paper_on_children__schools_and_transmission.pdf Will do, happy to be proved completely wrong (it's a common occurrence) might do it tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Zico said: Cases in the "lower" priority group have been going up this year Sage estimate 30k more deaths or more That's not what you said I didn’t mention numbers of deaths, but Whitty should be listened to on deaths. When Boris said “more deaths”, I’m not even sure he meant “more”, rather “further” Deaths aren’t stopping Edited February 22, 2021 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 And, above all, time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Fair enough, my 13 year old had it and had a half day of a headache and sore legs for one day. I have worse hangovers That reads like your kid had the vaccine. Assume you mean virus ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 22, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: And, above all, time will tell To be fair I think you’ve said for a long time that there’d be no more massive spikes and time said otherwise. You’ve always held the view that restrictions don’t make any difference. Sweden was a go to example for a fair while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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