Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said: I tell you a good way to help the hotel industry, two weeks in Spain ... 10 days in a hotel at your expanse ( like New Zealand does) when you get back and you are free to go for a bit of sun I don’t need you to tell me fuck all, I do the test & release as per regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I think that somewhere along the line, there's going to have to be testing on arrival at airports etc or even better at check-in overseas. You're there 2hrs before the flight, ample time to be tested & verified. You pass, you fly. You fail and off to quarantine you go. Spain etc can pay for the quarantine facilities as payback for our tourist euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: You can test to prove you ain’t got it. The government can pass a law to make sure you take the test or face a heavy fine. It’s not to difficult to plot a sensible way through this and allow folk to have basic freedoms. You need at the moment 2 test when you return to the UK one after 2 days and one after 8 , and don't leave the house for 10 ... those are the rules at the moment. Oh and you also need a test 72 hours before you fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Spider said: You're assuming everyone will behave like you. They won't. Hundreds of thousands of people returning from dozens of countries struggling to cope with the virus and vaccine. Inevitably plenty will just end up bringing it back, plenty will slip the net. I'd love to bash Boris, but we just can't have another lockdown. We've thousands of beaches in the UK, be reet for one more year. Oh you can’t catch it here then. If rates are same/similar here as where your going, what’s the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Anyhow just heard Frankie has died, my all time hero so I’m leaving it for now. RIP Frank thx for the memories. RIP legend. 🥲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 You can catch it anywhere. We spent Xmas in Lanzarote and felt safer there than we do here. They have rules in place that have to be followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Oh you can’t catch it here then. If rates are same/similar here as where your going, what’s the difference? Well a UK holiday won’t involved hours inside an over crowded airport, time crammed into a plane with several hundred people, won’t involve mixing with populations who haven’t been as lucky with the roll out of their vaccination and more likely to be affected by variants. But other other than that no difference.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, wiggy said: Well a UK holiday won’t involved hours inside an over crowded airport, time crammed into a plane with several hundred people, won’t involve mixing with populations who haven’t been as lucky with the roll out of their vaccination and more likely to be affected by variants. But other other than that no difference.... well apart from that, what have the Romans every done for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 23, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said: You need at the moment 2 test when you return to the UK one after 2 days and one after 8 , and don't leave the house for 10 ... those are the rules at the moment. Oh and you also need a test 72 hours before you fly. what are we going to test for surely we can only do a test for stuff we have vaccinated against if ive had 2 vaccs and all the people likely to die have had one, whats the issue we cant stop folk dying if thats the intention, we may as well pack up, cos its never going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted March 23, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Escobarp said: @Zicowhat you saying to it? 😎 Ask Royal White, he's the common sense officer on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Slept like I’d necked a full bottle of oromorph. Still got a dead arm and got exactly the same feeling as after a big weekend session. Need to find a brass open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just had a text message, asking me to go and get my vaccination done today - so I'm booked in for 11:00-11:10, Mrs Sweep got a text at the same time to, so she's booked in as well for this afternoon . Clearly racing through them down here, as I wasn't expecting us to get done for weeks yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: https://fullfact.org/news/did-eat-out-help-out-cause-covid-spread/ Trouble is, new information says data wasn't passed from one lot to the t&t folk, so the accuracy of such reports is sketchy. Whether correct of not, over more recent times, increasing numbers of high profile folk have mentioned the eoho scheme as contributing to the rise. Even your graphs showed cases starting to rise towards the end of August, still low because of a low starting point, and then being potentially compounded by schools returning. It is also being recognised that some of the rise is attributable to holiday makers bringing cases back in. Increasing people's freedom to socialise always brings an increase as we've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: It won’t effect me I’ll be in Spain, but still strongly disagree with our government and with lack of freedoms when simple measures can reduce risk to negligible levels, allow travel and save an industry that has been shat on. you might not be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s up to the government to ensure everyone who boards a flight has a paid for booked test on return, to shut down the travel industry & deny folk there freedom is wrong on so many levels, in my opinion it is not acceptable, stop flights to and from red list countries where rates are high, enforce testing on return to the U.K. the rest of these restrictions are an unjustified impingement on our liberties & freedoms and are unacceptable. It's also a right for people in this country to expect the government to do things in the interests of the population as a whole, not a smaller subsection. Might not get it right all the time, of course, but thats beside the point. Increases in cases etc will potentially lead to further restrictions here, which are further impositions on everybody's freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Spider said: You're assuming everyone will behave like you. They won't. Hundreds of thousands of people returning from dozens of countries struggling to cope with the virus and vaccine. Inevitably plenty will just end up bringing it back, plenty will slip the net. I'd love to bash Boris, but we just can't have another lockdown. We've thousands of beaches in the UK, be reet for one more year. Good little piece on Iceland and how they've managed everyone who has come into the country. A case or two of the kent variant still managed to get through; which has meant t&t doing around 1000 tests iirc and managing to nip it in the bud. Isle of man similar, one cock up and a large jump in cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sweep said: you might not be.... Trust me I’ll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 People need to stop confusing the Government doing something which is inconvenient to themselves and something which is stripping away your civil liberties. The Govt have no reason to stop people travelling abroad other than to stop the spread of the virus. I imagine they would love to let's us all travel. On the one hand people rightfully slag off the EU for the speed of their vaccine rollout and on the other want to go there. The Govt and the people have an obligation in a free society to protect themselves and others. Untill other countries have this under better control why would you want to go there ? I seem to remember everyone rushing off last summer when it was safe last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Good little piece on Iceland and how they've managed everyone who has come into the country. A case or two of the kent variant still managed to get through; which has meant t&t doing around 1000 tests iirc and managing to nip it in the bud. Isle of man similar, one cock up and a large jump in cases. The alternative is lock down forever. Folk dying from cancer, suicide, and other avoidable diseases, sooner folk realise it ain’t going away and folk will continue to die of one thing or the other, treat it same as flu and let’s crack on. I’m more than prepared to take that risk than live in constant limbo. Edited March 23, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ani said: People need to stop confusing the Government doing something which is inconvenient to themselves and something which is stripping away your civil liberties. The Govt have no reason to stop people travelling abroad other than to stop the spread of the virus. I imagine they would love to let's us all travel. On the one hand people rightfully slag off the EU for the speed of their vaccine rollout and on the other want to go there. The Govt and the people have an obligation in a free society to protect themselves and others. Untill other countries have this under better control why would you want to go there ? I seem to remember everyone rushing off last summer when it was safe last time. This. I very much doubt many nations would want loads of holiday makers visiting during another wave neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ani said: People need to stop confusing the Government doing something which is inconvenient to themselves and something which is stripping away your civil liberties. The Govt have no reason to stop people travelling abroad other than to stop the spread of the virus. I imagine they would love to let's us all travel. On the one hand people rightfully slag off the EU for the speed of their vaccine rollout and on the other want to go there. The Govt and the people have an obligation in a free society to protect themselves and others. Untill other countries have this under better control why would you want to go there ? I seem to remember everyone rushing off last summer when it was safe last time. It’s what you deem acceptable, I don’t deem the ongoing restrictions acceptable, you do and that’s fine, I’m happy to abide by testing, vaccines and distancing the chance of me dying is now virtually unmeasurable so I’d like to take my chance and have my freedom back thx. Edited March 23, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: This. I very much doubt many nations would want loads of holiday makers visiting during another wave neither. Shit...did we just agree on something ? 😎👍😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: It’s what you deem acceptable, I don’t deem the ongoing restrictions acceptable, you do and that’s fine, I’m happy to abide by testing, vaccines and distancing the chance of be dying is now virtually unmeasurable so I’d like to take my chance and have my freedom back thx. And what if you're in a minority? Everyone else doesn't like it, but is prepared to play it out If, say, 52% of people are prepared to put up with it, you've just got to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: It’s what you deem acceptable, I don’t deem the ongoing restrictions acceptable, you do and that’s fine, I’m happy to abide by testing, vaccines and distancing the chance of me dying is now virtually unmeasurable so I’d like to take my chance and have my freedom back thx. Would you visit Spain if their infection level is higher and vaccination rate is lower than ours ? Significantly not saying we have vaccinated 75% and them 74%. For example . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 23, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: The alternative is lock down forever. Folk dying from cancer, suicide, and other avoidable diseases, sooner folk realise it ain’t going away and folk will continue to die of one thing or the other, treat it same as flu and let’s crack on. I’m more than prepared to take that risk than live in constant limbo. Again you've got it the wrong way round. Lockdown has reduced cases and thus allowing the nhs to get back to more routine duties. However you keep saying the opposite. No one has said keep a lockdown going neither. Just stop travel abroad for a whilewhich allows us here to open up internally. The article in Iceland I referred to illustrates precisely this. Almost zero cases and an open society. Economically a no brainer. Clearly our situation is different to theirs, and its not likely that we could isolate all positive cases in a hotel, should we have free travel arrangements. Therefore a reduction in travel freedoms is common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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