Moderators Casino Posted March 24, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2021 So you fly to wherever, get a test, its positive, so spend 2 weeks isolating That might work for you but it wont work for most But i think we have seen plenty times that youre not really a team player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 24, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 24, 2021 Fwiw, im somewhere in the middle of you and those on here who wont be happy til nobody even catches a cold But i dont think your plan is workable for enough people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Just now, Casino said: So you fly to wherever, get a test, its positive, so spend 2 weeks isolating That might work for you but it wont work for most But i think we have seen plenty times that youre not really a team player You test before you fly, that’s unfortunately the risk you have to take, I’m a team player alright, when folk are on my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 We're on the final straight following a marathon; let's not trip over and break our legs so close to the finish line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Casino said: Fwiw, im somewhere in the middle of you and those on here who wont be happy til nobody even catches a cold But i dont think your plan is workable for enough people Can you name anyone in the 'catch a cold' group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Fwiw, im somewhere in the middle of you and those on here who wont be happy til nobody even catches a cold But i dont think your plan is workable for enough people Sadly a negative PCR test is here for the long term It’s the only way we are ever going to be able to travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: It would be a bad decision. Stop travel to red countries, open travel to countries with low levels of virus (as per original time line 17th May)but PCR test on arrival, this ain’t ever going away, just like flu isn’t, both diseases we have a vaccine, both need treating the same. Only works if every country follows same rules I'm supposed to be going Turkey in July which given their vaccination role out seems feasible. Will they only open to English at 20% capacity or will German, French, Russian etc tourists be allowed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56509340 Some scary numbers could be stacking up for long covid symptoms with up to 70% of over 400,000 hospital admissions not fully recovered. On brighter note shows years of suffering man-flu has made us hardier than doris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: 98 deaths in U.K. over 200 in Germany, they’re open for Easter were locked down, they can travel abroad, it’s illegal for us, we’ve 50% vaccinated they’ve less than 20%. WTF is going on here in the U.K. I guess we'll see a couple of weeks after Easter who has made the right decision. I suspect that Germany may regret opening up for Easter after previously saying they'd be closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Fuck off home, we don’t want to see you again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56510574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: You test before you fly, that’s unfortunately the risk you have to take, I’m a team player alright, when folk are on my team. 😁😁😁 Stop bleating. It is what it is and you’ll just have to take your medicine etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: Fuck off home, we don’t want to see you again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56510574 I think that BP announced something similar recently for all their office based staff Oddly, most of our office based staff, who've been WFH for the best part of a year now are itching to get back into the office as soon as they can Edited March 25, 2021 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Spider said: What if international travel is postponed until autumn? International travel is not postponed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Winchester White said: Mounts, you need to give your head a wobble. How many fucking lockdowns do we need to get the point across? We are doing great with the vaccine but the rest of the world bar Israel and the US are way behind. Mutations are major risk to everything we have been pinning our hopes on out of this shitstorm. Yep. The reality of the situation and the direction of travel are there for all to see. If they want to. It appears that we may be able to return to a more normal way of life in the not too distant future- that sadly may be at the expense of foreign travel for a while. If it helps the majority of the economy to start getting back on track then so be it. I know the media tend to report on the negative, but it is also clear that a good number of our medical professionals themselves are in need of help, and may leave altogether as a result of this. Quite selfish to risk putting them under undue pressure for the sake of a few more months. It might also backfire too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Ani said: Can you name anyone in the 'catch a cold' group? Quite. Anyway, latest scientific study is extremely interesting. The common cold has been found to boot Covid-19 out of the body's cells. An interesting treatment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yep. The reality of the situation and the direction of travel are there for all to see. If they want to. It appears that we may be able to return to a more normal way of life in the not too distant future- that sadly may be at the expense of foreign travel for a while. If it helps the majority of the economy to start getting back on track then so be it. I know the media tend to report on the negative, but it is also clear that a good number of our medical professionals themselves are in need of help, and may leave altogether as a result of this. Quite selfish to risk putting them under undue pressure for the sake of a few more months. It might also backfire too. International travel from red areas should be banned, areas of low infection should resume after May 17th, and only then with pcr test before & test & release after a number of days. With these measures and another 6 weeks of vaccinations, then there is no chance of infection rates and subsequent hospital admissions rising anywhere near levels that puts the NHS and its staff under undue pressure. I hope the bill today has a hefty number of MPs voting against it, a shot across the bows is required, to remind Boris that we live in a democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yep. The reality of the situation and the direction of travel are there for all to see. If they want to. It appears that we may be able to return to a more normal way of life in the not too distant future- that sadly may be at the expense of foreign travel for a while. If it helps the majority of the economy to start getting back on track then so be it. I know the media tend to report on the negative, but it is also clear that a good number of our medical professionals themselves are in need of help, and may leave altogether as a result of this. Quite selfish to risk putting them under undue pressure for the sake of a few more months. It might also backfire too. Aye. We all want a fucking holiday. But we've moved on from the Magna Carta. The situation is new to us all and we need to adapt to survive. I am. I was showered with advice on the Brexit thread about "dealing with it" and "moving on" and "looking for the positives". So here I am, doing all those things around Covid, and the people dishing out that sage advice then seem unable to follow it now. I feel for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Spider said: Aye. We all want a fucking holiday. But we've moved on from the Magna Carta. The situation is new to us all and we need to adapt to survive. I am. I was showered with advice on the Brexit thread about "dealing with it" and "moving on" and "looking for the positives". So here I am, doing all those things around Covid, and the people dishing out that sage advice then seem unable to follow it now. I feel for them. Arguably the biggest brexit positive so far (only been 3 months) is the vaccine approach. We could have done it as a member but almost certainly wouldn't have. On that basis, it would seem pertinent to follow the path which it has afforded us to its end point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: International travel from red areas should be banned, areas of low infection should resume after May 17th, and only then with pcr test before & test & release after a number of days. With these measures and another 6 weeks of vaccinations, then there is no chance of infection rates and subsequent hospital admissions rising anywhere near levels that puts the NHS and its staff under undue pressure. I hope the bill today has a hefty number of MPs voting against it, a shot across the bows is required, to remind Boris that we live in a democracy. You say 'no chance' but that is the great unknown. No one really knows the potential impact of the new variants and fear of those seems to be driving thinking. I keep asking what would motivate the Govt to keep us under restrictions other than a genuine fear that the virus could return and have had no answers. The restrictions are causing the economy massive issues and the Govt gets loads of shit, there is no benefit I can see other than controlling the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ani said: You say 'no chance' but that is the great unknown. No one really knows the potential impact of the new variants and fear of those seems to be driving thinking. I keep asking what would motivate the Govt to keep us under restrictions other than a genuine fear that the virus could return and have had no answers. The restrictions are causing the economy massive issues and the Govt gets loads of shit, there is no benefit I can see other than controlling the virus. Got to remember that covid is no match for common sense, so soon as it see's it, it fucks off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 Our vaccination programme is immense. Best in the world and hats off to Team Boris for sorting it. But It's a vaccine that hasn't had the usual years of trials to study long term effects in the population. There's already talk of boosters being a regular requirement. The main worry is clearly that millions of people going to all corners of Europe - a Europe that is way behind and struggling. Yes, we are vaccinated, but it could undo a massive and brilliant effort if we all start bringing back variants that elude the vaccine. I hate to say it, but we need to rein back on the travel. To quote Mr. Churchill "We will defend our island, whatever the cost may be" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ani said: You say 'no chance' but that is the great unknown. No one really knows the potential impact of the new variants and fear of those seems to be driving thinking. I keep asking what would motivate the Govt to keep us under restrictions other than a genuine fear that the virus could return and have had no answers. The restrictions are causing the economy massive issues and the Govt gets loads of shit, there is no benefit I can see other than controlling the virus. New variants arrive when folk arrive from areas of high infection rates, like France, why are they not on the red list? I’m suggesting no travel from red list or high infection rate countries to reduce the risk of variants as this seems to me the only way infection rates will rise, the facts are we’ve vaccinated the high risk, a variant isn’t coming from folk who live in U.K. therefore there is an argument to be had to speed up opening U.K. business to normal levels sooner than the current timeline. Travel from low risk areas should begin May 17th with testing. My real concern is that this government will continue down this route and extend the lockdown and without ever submitting any evidence or facing any challenges in parliament. I’m finding it quite unbelievable that normally intelligent folk are meekly and mildly accepting the status quo without question, we need the government to be held to account cross examined and questioned in Parliament. That is not happening and does not sit well with me. Edited March 25, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: New variants arrive when folk arrive from areas of high infection rates, like France, why are they not on the red list? I’m suggesting no travel from red list or high infection rate countries to reduce the risk of variants as this seems to me the only way infection rates will rise, the facts are we’ve vaccinated the high risk, a variant isn’t coming from folk who live in U.K. therefore there is an argument to be had to speed up opening U.K. business to normal levels sooner than the current timeline. Travel from low risk areas should begin May 17th with testing. My real concern is that this government will continue down this route and extend the lockdown and without ever submitting any evidence or facing any challenges in parliament. I’m finding it quite unbelievable that normally intelligent folk are meekly and mildly accepting the status quo without question, we need the government to be held to account cross examined and questioned in Parliament. That is not happening and does not sit well with me. You're right about opening up the UK We should be getting back to normal no question. But the pay off for that will have to be travel restrictions. What if Spain is teetering on the brink of going on the red list and there are a million Brits there? They can't all just come home in a day. It's shit, no-one likes it, but I think we may just have to do it. Open pubs, stadiums and shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: New variants arrive when folk arrive from areas of high infection rates, like France, why are they not on the red list? I’m suggesting no travel from red list or high infection rate countries to reduce the risk of variants as this seems to me the only way infection rates will rise, the facts are we’ve vaccinated the high risk, a variant isn’t coming from folk who live in U.K. therefore there is an argument to be had to speed up opening U.K. business to normal levels sooner than the current timeline. Travel from low risk areas should begin May 17th with testing. My real concern is that this government will continue down this route and extend the lockdown and without ever submitting any evidence or facing any challenges in parliament. I’m finding it quite unbelievable that normally intelligent folk are meekly and mildly accepting the status quo without question, we need the government to be held to account cross examined and questioned in Parliament. That is not happening and does not sit well with me. Every time it gets pasted on there is a chance for it to mutate, does not have to be from a high risk area at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted March 25, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2021 In other news, MickyD had his second jab last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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