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5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not allowing for the lag then?

 

Not allowing for the lag and using 15 day old data - so bascially a month out of date, whilst arguing that we need to provide data that shows a proper context - very very misleading. 

You've got Whitty and Valance doing their best to look at current trends in the UK, comparing that to trends in France and Spain to try and work out what's going to happen here, with some people saying that they're scare mongering, (they said 50k is not a prediction of what will happen - they said if numbers double week on week, as they may do without further restrictions, we could be there in mid October), and other folk saying we need to lock down more.

They can't win.   

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That was one of the loveliest things to ever happen. Stood in my garden sobbing like a baby! Proud to work for the NHS 👏👏👏👏❤️

My uncle lost his battle to this in Royal Bolton this morning, so he will be one of today’s numbers.  last rites over the phone held by a nurse with no family there. made an exception yester

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1 hour ago, bromers said:

Not ignore per se but we need to be getting back to normal life now. Whatever happened to 2-3 weeks to slow the spread and protect the NHS? 

The indirect effects of these draconian measures will far outweigh any effects from a relatively harmless virus. 
 

Deterioration of the country’s mental health, suicides up, millions of missed cancer screenings, child abuse increasing, domestic abuse increasing, alcohol abuse increasing, drug abuse increasing, millions unemployed, industries decimated, national debt increased but tax revenues down, terrible psychological impact on children seeing everyone walking around in masks and hearing there’s a deadly virus circulating, not to mention the fact they’ve missed months of education. 

I could go on. The list is almost endless.

 

Sweden got it right and can now start returning to normality. The rest of us got it horrendously wrong.

Sweden aint returning to normailty, theyre going to continue their current restrctions and hope they can whack-a-mole out breaks with tracking and tracing.

watch from 11min 44 seconds in below  

"This pandemic is far from over" 

"We may be a few weeks behind the curve"

 

 

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27 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Not allowing for the lag and using 15 day old data - so bascially a month out of date, whilst arguing that we need to provide data that shows a proper context - very very misleading. 

You've got Whitty and Valance doing their best to look at current trends in the UK, comparing that to trends in France and Spain to try and work out what's going to happen here, with some people saying that they're scare mongering, (they said 50k is not a prediction of what will happen - they said if numbers double week on week, as they may do without further restrictions, we could be there in mid October), and other folk saying we need to lock down more.

They can't win.   

If we follow Spain and France we won’t double every 7 days, that graph they showed was a disgrace,  Witty and Valance look to me like project fear.
 

Piss poor that Boris let them lose on national tv spouting figures that look highly unlikely to ever happen.

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3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If we follow Spain and France we won’t double every 7 days, that graph they showed was a disgrace,  Witty and Valance look to me like project fear.
 

Piss poor that Boris let them lose on national tv spouting figures that look highly unlikely to ever happen.

They did say it wasn't a prediction, it was a simple worse case scenario if we did nothing and current trends continue.

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4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If we follow Spain and France we won’t double every 7 days, that graph they showed was a disgrace,  Witty and Valance look to me like project fear.
 

Piss poor that Boris let them lose on national tv spouting figures that look highly unlikely to ever happen.

Another Project Fear ? 
 

How many cases did Spain report yesterday ? 

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19 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If we follow Spain and France we won’t double every 7 days, that graph they showed was a disgrace,  Witty and Valance look to me like project fear.
 

Piss poor that Boris let them lose on national tv spouting figures that look highly unlikely to ever happen.

The infection rate in Bolton has gone up from 27 per 100,000 to 238 per 100,000 in 3 weeks. 900% increase or a doubling every week for 3 weeks. 

Hospitalisations up from 2 to 30 odd (I'm guessing, as it was 23 last thursday) in the same period.

Infection rates all over the Northwest are following Bolton.

Vallance even said in the briefing, "this is not a prediction" , its what could happen if current infection rates double every week.

What do you think they should have said instead?

 

 

 

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Maybe a certain section of society are happy to be locked down and these people are hoping for a positive test.

Theres some right cunts about, wouldn’t put it past them to skew figures a bit.

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I didn’t think they could have been any clearer yesterday. If cases continue to double every week (as they have been) then this is what would happen. I’m not sure how anyone can argue with that.

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2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I didn’t think they could have been any clearer yesterday. If cases continue to double every week (as they have been) then this is what would happen. I’m not sure how anyone can argue with that.

It's basically people trying to pick apart what's said, as it doesn't suit what they want to see. 

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The number of cases in Spain are about 50% higher than at their peak. France has almost doubled. We are only at about 75%. of our peak. We are testing far more than them. All countries are trying different methods to control it without the need of a total lockdown. Peely mentioned ‘wack a mole’ policies. Everyone is trying it.

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2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I didn’t think they could have been any clearer yesterday. If cases continue to double every week (as they have been) then this is what would happen. I’m not sure how anyone can argue with that.

Because it is not want they want to hear. 

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6 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

The number of cases in Spain are about 50% higher than at their peak. France has almost doubled. We are only at about 75%. of our peak. We are testing far more than them. All countries are trying different methods to control it without the need of a total lockdown. Peely mentioned ‘wack a mole’ policies. Everyone is trying it.

Exaclty. Nothing will stop it. 

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Everything Chris Whitty says is being peer reviewed by our most eminent medical people, the very people we're led to believe will be producing this vaccine even. Yet bloke on the internet without a GCSE in Biology knows better. Hilarious.

He may be wrong, they might all be wrong, but fuck me, Denise Welch in the house.

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21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

If we follow Spain and France we won’t double every 7 days, that graph they showed was a disgrace,  Witty and Valance look to me like project fear.
 

Piss poor that Boris let them lose on national tv spouting figures that look highly unlikely to ever happen.

Both badly dressed as well, oversized suits, tie all over the place, they looked well out of place, and Boris definitely threw them out there. They looked like Bert and Ernie.

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Just seen a graph basically trying to show that the 50,000 scenario is bollocks because it’s more pessimistic than what is happening in France and Spain. But the reason things aren’t even worse in those countries is surely because they’ve already introduced the corrective measures we are now about to introduce?

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1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Exaclty. Nothing will stop it. 

Reducing the amount of contacts everyone has with everyone else will make the spread slower than it would be without.

Before all this I would normally;

Take 2 neighbours kids to school 5 days a week

Take 1 neighbour to bwfc training 3 days a week

Stand next to a group of football dads for 6 hrs a week

Watch BWFC twice a month

Visit 8 customer's offices a week

Meet my business partner in Tickled Trout lounge for a weekly meeting

Go and see either my dad/brothers/sister twice a week for a brew

Take the family out to the pub or out for tea once or twice a week

Travel down on the train and stay in London for 4 days a month - tube every day

Expos once every few months (thousands of folk)

Go swimming once a week 

Gym twice a week

Cinema once a month

Be in multiple shops every week.

Dentist/doctors/physio a few times a year

None of this is happening at the moment, so the amount of folk I'm coming into contact with has massivley reduced, and so my chances of bumping into an infected person will be much lower than it would be if I still did all the stuff above. Doesn't mean I'm not going to ultimatley catch it, just that the timescale of me doing so is greatly extended.  Multiply this over large portions of the poulation and it has a massive effect. 

  

 

  

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