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My uncle lost his battle to this in Royal Bolton this morning, so he will be one of today’s numbers.  last rites over the phone held by a nurse with no family there. made an exception yester

That was one of the loveliest things to ever happen. Stood in my garden sobbing like a baby! Proud to work for the NHS 👏👏👏👏❤️

I’ve sat with my mum who is slipping away, literally breathing her last today. She idolises the Queen, and whilst she didn’t in all likelihood hear that, I know she would have loved every single

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1 hour ago, Boby Brno said:

I’m not defending the government. Communication has been pathetic. Decisions? Who knows. Some say they should be harder, some say they have gone too far. If WW was a government, nothing would get done, too many differing views. Apart from Germany as I’ve said previously, every government has been criticised by its people. (there have been demonstrations in Germany though)

New Zealand people didn't, she seems to have it all in hand, but being an island does have it advantages, which we threw away

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Just now, wiggy said:

So David Paton. His own claimed areas of expertise....

Areas of Expertise
Economics of cricket; Teenage pregnancy; gambling taxation; post-Brexit economy.

 

Yes but.....

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5 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I’ve seen a number of people citing this guy before. What’s his background? Is he someone we should be listening to?

He’s an economics professor 

as to your second question, that’s subjective. 
 

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2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

So David Paton. His own claimed areas of expertise....

Areas of Expertise
Economics of cricket; Teenage pregnancy; gambling taxation; post-Brexit economy.

 

So that makes him wrong?

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A cautionary tale. For both social and business reasons, I follow the situation in the Czech Republic. At the start of this crisis they took decisive action. Locked down early and Insisted on mask wearing in all public places. As a result, they had very few cases and therefore very few deaths. Better statistics than Germany.

They were one of the first to come out of lockdown and collectively, patted there selves on the back.

Like all other countries, their cases have shot up. 377 at the pea in March, 3000 yesterday.
 

Their new restrictions include a 10pm curfew in bars and restaurants (popular) but no lockdown, yet.

This why I tend not to be too critical of our government.

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Just now, wiggy said:

Not saying it makes him wrong at all. But I’m also not sure why he’s talking in a way that suggests he is definitely right. 

You are on here 

Based on your logic what are your credentials?

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2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

You are on here 

Based on your logic what are your credentials?

Fair question and fair point. And I guess that’s why this is so hard. Whoever we listen to is only ever giving their best guess right now. 

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9 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

New Zealand people didn't, she seems to have it all in hand, but being an island does have it advantages, which we threw away

I know people in NZ who aren’t happy but generally I’d agree that most are. They have been affected economically like everyone else. The problem I see there is that eventually they will have to open up. They can wait until a vaccine is available or continue their isolation with its economic consequences. As has been said many times, time will tell.

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3 minutes ago, wiggy said:

Fair question and fair point. And I guess that’s why this is so hard. Whoever we listen to is only ever giving their best guess right now. 

Quite

And a great number of mathematicians and virologists wrote to the govt in the past day to explain the flaws in their presented data and to say that community P2 testing is wrong at least 9/10 times. 

90% most of those who’ve tested positive are almost certain to be negative. 

They are introducing these measures on such baseless data. And the outcome is that lives and livelihoods will be lost as a result 

In my opinion (and that’s all it is) this is unacceptable. It’s not cos I want a beer at 10:05pm, it’s because I think it kills more people in the long run.

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24 minutes ago, royal white said:

Possibly the biggest mistake this goverment has made is putting to much trust into the general public from the start. 

Or the general public putting any trust in them :)

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2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Quite

And a great number of mathematicians and virologists wrote to the govt in the past day to explain the flaws in their presented data and to say that community P2 testing is wrong at least 9/10 times. 

90% most of those who’ve tested positive are almost certain to be negative. 

They are introducing these measures on such baseless data. And the outcome is that lives and livelihoods will be lost as a result 

In my opinion (and that’s all it is) this is unacceptable. It’s not cos I want a beer at 10:05pm, it’s because I think it kills more people in the long run.

Quite

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Just now, boltondiver said:

Anyway, for reasons known only to the scientists, next spring will be better than this spring

Well we won’t have the EU sending their Covid over here, taking all our jobs for a start

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10 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Didn’t watch the main event. How did the sack of shit do? 
 

Mumbled like a dick?

Plenty of jingoistic clap trap and fist waving.

Its all down to the breaches. 

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2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Anyway, for reasons known only to the scientists, next spring will be better than this spring

Well we'll be prepared for a start. We'll have the infrastructure to better cope, staff that are trained and have the right PPE, better treatments and possibly (just possibly) a vaccine. 

We'll be in a much better position come spring (providing the virus hasn't done something crazy while it's made its way up from the southern hemisphere). 

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10 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Quite

And a great number of mathematicians and virologists wrote to the govt in the past day to explain the flaws in their presented data and to say that community P2 testing is wrong at least 9/10 times. 

90% most of those who’ve tested positive are almost certain to be negative. 

They are introducing these measures on such baseless data. And the outcome is that lives and livelihoods will be lost as a result 

In my opinion (and that’s all it is) this is unacceptable. It’s not cos I want a beer at 10:05pm, it’s because I think it kills more people in the long run.

If 90% of those who've tested positive are really negative,  the virus is massively more virulent and easily spread than we think. 

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Just now, peelyfeet said:

 

If 90% of those who've tested positive are really negative,  the virus is massively more virulent and easily spread than we think. 

I am sure Jules will be along shortly to back up his claim as it is a game changer if true.

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Some of the responses to Ian Browns tweets are... wow. 

Just one thing, how are masks the next step towards a new world order please? I thought Big Brother would have preferred faces it can recognise and upload to its mainframe of doom rather than obscured ones?

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