Coronavirus

[mickbrown]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Just ignore Mick if Tories do anything it’s wrong, it’s quite clear to me and most rational folk that this virus has to be introduced into the population and that complete lockdown will just move the problem until lockdown is relaxed. 

Quite clear to you?

As opposed to the WHO?

You’re a clown. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I'm not so sure.

That virus is going to find its way back into Italy pretty quickly once they let everyone go about their business again.

Seems strange to me that we've backtracked. Hope it's based on sound science rather than political pressure.

I don't see it as backtracking anyhow. They said from the off that measures may be more stringent and they have become so. They said it's about timing and still are.

I agree with you about it flaring up again in places like Spain etc later.

That's what their explanation initially was detailing: go into lockdown too early, folk get fed up or think it's safe when numbers drop and bingo, round 2.

Using behavioural chaps alongside medical people makes great sense.

Gonzo's video with the water is really a very good analogy.

 

[mickbrown]

It’s almost comical this. Despite cases increasing in the UK, we’re doing it right and the countries that have it under control and where cases are falling are doing it all wrong?

Fuck me. 

[ErnestTurnip]

As if things weren't confusing enough my mrs got sent to this link:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/

which says she can go back to work after 7 days because she is the one with all the symptoms but the rest of us need to be off 14 days.

We've only done 2 hours and we've had enough already, apart from wife who is worse today.

[MickyD]

Went to Asda this morning for a few basics. They had no eggs or pasta so I called at Lidl. Managed to get some eggs but no pasta...

Then I saw a large Muslim family, each with a large trolley and each trolley filled with all manner of goods; three or four trays of tomatoes, three or four boxes of pasta, three or four trays of beans, etc.

I joined a long queue with my dozen eggs and the whole queue was talking about this family emptying the shelves.

When they got to the front of their queue, the man on the till told them they weren't allowed to bulk buy and he wouldn't be serving them. The man of the family argued that as he had his wife and children with him, each should be treated as a separate customer.

The man on the till told him that it didn't work like that and they still wouldn't be served.

That was the cue for a spontaneous round of applause from the customers in all the other queues. 

[Burndens Bogs]

10 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Went to Asda this morning for a few basics. They had no eggs or pasta so I called at Lidl. Managed to get some eggs but no pasta...

Then I saw a large Muslim family, each with a large trolley and each trolley filled with all manner of goods; three or four trays of tomatoes, three or four boxes of pasta, three or four trays of beans, etc.

I joined a long queue with my dozen eggs and the whole queue was talking about this family emptying the shelves.

When they got to the front of their queue, the man on the till told them they weren't allowed to bulk buy and he wouldn't be serving them. The man of the family argued that as he had his wife and children with him, each should be treated as a separate customer.

The man on the till told him that it didn't work like that and they still wouldn't be served.

That was the cue for a spontaneous round of applause from the customers in all the other queues. 

Nice one, every credit to the till operator. Went to Tesco Middlebrook earlier, obviously not a loo roll in sight, or paracetamol, or dried pasta or any anti bac cleansing products. Worlds gone mad.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Burndens Bogs

[Escobarp]

21 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

It’s almost comical this. Despite cases increasing in the UK, we’re doing it right and the countries that have it under control and where cases are falling are doing it all wrong?

Fuck me. 

I hope when the cases spiral in these other countries when they release people back into the general population you will be so vociferous in your backtracking 

[MickyD]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I hope when the cases spiral in these other countries when they release people back into the general population you will be so vociferous in your backtracking 

Thing is, we won't know until we get there. I just don't get how each expert in each country is adding 2 + 2 and each coming up with a different answer.

Actually, I do know...

They're guessing based on their best assumptions.

[Zico]

24 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

It’s almost comical this. Despite cases increasing in the UK, we’re doing it right and the countries that have it under control and where cases are falling are doing it all wrong?

Fuck me. 

thing is

no one knows who is right and wrong

our initial approach did make sense to me

who knows what will happen to the countries in lockdown, and us, when they lift the conditions

I guess if we go on lockdown till every who has it no longer has it, then lockdown might just work - it also makes sense

hope it's not for long though

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, MickyD said:

Thing is, we won't know until we get there. I just don't get how each expert in each country is adding 2 + 2 and each coming up with a different answer.

Actually, I do know...

They're guessing based on their best assumptions.

Correct nobody knows what is the best way to deal with this. But one thing I’ve learnt in life is following what everyone else is doing isn’t necessarily the best way. 
 

until this thing is a few months down the line we won’t know what is or was the best way 

unless your mickbrown or fanny5 it appears 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

thing is

no one knows who is right and wrong

our initial approach did make sense to me

who knows what will happen to the countries in lockdown, and us, when they lift the conditions

I guess if we go on lockdown till every who has it no longer has it, then lockdown might just work - it also makes sense

hope it's not for long though

Tories wrong all the time with mick, fuck all to do with what’s right or wrong with him, he’s still trying to make a political point as always. 

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Correct nobody knows what is the best way to deal with this. But one thing I’ve learnt in life is following what everyone else is doing isn’t necessarily the best way. 
 

until this thing is a few months down the line we won’t know what is or was the best way 

unless your mickbrown or fanny5 it appears 

We have 5000 ventilators in the country. You reckon that’s enough if we just let people catch it?

[MickyD]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Correct nobody knows what is the best way to deal with this. But one thing I’ve learnt in life is following what everyone else is doing isn’t necessarily the best way. 
 

until this thing is a few months down the line we won’t know what is or was the best way 

unless your mickbrown or fanny5 it appears 

It's a bit like the Stable-Door Legislation we spoke about on here a while ago in response to something happening and the Government then putting laws in place to prevent it happening again. May have been following The Cube fire in Bolton.

"Experts" will be busy cataloguing every country's response; what they did, what their justification was, what the outcome was, etc.

At the end of the current pandemic, the same experts will devise a plan for in case a similar pandemic occurs. 

 

[mickbrown]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Tories wrong all the time with mick, fuck all to do with what’s right or wrong with him, he’s still trying to make a political point as always. 

I happen to the think the WHO are right.

That that differs from what we’re doing has fuck all to do with politics. 

[L/H White]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Tories wrong all the time with mick, fuck all to do with what’s right or wrong with him, he’s still trying to make a political point as always. 

haha, fucking hell, pot kettle pal

[Sweep]

I've just been to Asda in Biggleswade, there is next to fuck all on the shelves. Pasta, Eggs, Tins, Washing Up Liquid, Detergent etc, everything gone  - it's worse than the weekend before Christmas.

One bloke at the self checkout bit, most displeased as they wouldn't let hi buy about 10 boxes of paracetamol, the fucking idiot

[Mounts Kipper]

8 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

I happen to the think the WHO are right.

That that differs from what we’re doing has fuck all to do with politics. 

In terms of cases we are behind the Italians, Spanish and French etc, they’ve only just introduced the draconian measures recommended by the WHO, these country’s are also very different in terms of social interaction often 3 and 4 generations of the same family live together or socialise every weekend and thus virus can spread quicker.  For these reasons I think we should continue with our current plan and let our experts review what we do day by day. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[L/H White]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

I've just been to Asda in Biggleswade, there is next to fuck all on the shelves. Pasta, Eggs, Tins, Washing Up Liquid, Detergent etc, everything gone  - it's worse than the weekend before Christmas.

One bloke at the self checkout bit, most displeased as they wouldn't let hi buy about 10 boxes of paracetamol, the fucking idiot

i went to two shops for eggs this morning, fuck all left

we're sending non clincial staff to work from home from tmorrow here

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, L/H White said:

haha, fucking hell, pot kettle pal

Except I’m traditionally a labour voter. 

[mickbrown]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

In terms of cases we are behind the Italians, Spanish and French etc, they’ve only just introduced the draconian measures recommended by the WHO, these country’s are also very different in terms of social interaction often 3 and 4 generations of the same family live together or socialise every weekend and thus can spread quicker.  For these reasons I think we should continue on our current plan and our experts to review what we do on a day by day basis. 

Fair enough, good post without resorting to petty political jibes. 

Now then, don’t take this as a dig, but rather a question. If we see the trajectory in other countries and we expect to be there at some point quite soon, why wait? Why not try an nip it in the bud?

[stevieb]

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I've just been to Asda in Biggleswade, there is next to fuck all on the shelves. Pasta, Eggs, Tins, Washing Up Liquid, Detergent etc, everything gone  - it's worse than the weekend before Christmas.

One bloke at the self checkout bit, most displeased as they wouldn't let hi buy about 10 boxes of paracetamol, the fucking idiot

You can only buy 2 in normal conditions so you don't top yourself. 

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

  For these reasons I think we should continue with our current plan and let our experts review what we do day by day. 

I'm  not convinced we have a proper plan, this isn't a dig at anybody, as like every other country in the world, we're pretty much making it up as we go along.

I still can't get my head around the fact that children are still are allowed to go to school, but adults are being told/advised not to socially interact - that seems a bit of a mixed signal to me

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, stevieb said:

You can only buy 2 in normal conditions so you don't top yourself. 

I know, I think everybody does.....apart from that dick, he was kicking up a massive fuss, which really doesn't help They should have let him buy them all, and then force fed them to him

[bwfcfan5]

The government changed their approach - so it isn't just everyone else who said "this won't work" they've now had to change as of yesterday. But they won't openly admit to it. Which is why everything now is confused and garbled advice. 

https://www.ft.com/content/249daf9a-67c3-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

In terms of cases we are behind the Italians, Spanish and French etc, they’ve only just introduced the draconian measures recommended by the WHO, these country’s are also very different in terms of social interaction often 3 and 4 generations of the same family live together or socialise every weekend and thus virus can spread quicker.  For these reasons I think we should continue with our current plan and let our experts review what we do day by day. 

"Boris Johnson has made clear as the government urged people to work from home and avoid pubs and restaurants, as well as non-essential travel – particularly in London. Up to 1.5 million people with the “most serious health conditions” must avoid almost all social contact for 12 weeks, from this weekend."

for me, the only difference between that and lockdown is no one will make you go home, but we're only one step away

that'll come in the next few days I think, but the plan you're on about has already been kicked into touch yesterday

edit: in fact, maybe today

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-update-live-news-symptoms-uk-cases-tips-map-latest-a9405586.html

Mr Johnson suggested curfews could be introduced and emergency legislation to be introduced today could give police the power to detain people suspected of being infected. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by ZicoKelly