Site Supporter Spider Posted October 9, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: Plenty of younger people are suffering from 'long' covid which can leave you with serious life changing conditions. Someone will be along in a minute to say that road accidents leave loads of people with life changing conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gonzo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Plenty of younger people are suffering from 'long' covid which can leave you with serious life changing conditions. Are they? 8 in 10 dont have symptoms. Thems the breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Plenty of younger people are suffering from 'long' covid which can leave you with serious life changing conditions. And a bigger plenty aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) Are these recent rises and spreading mainly down to school kids and uni students going back ? Edited October 9, 2020 by deane koontz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just now, deane koontz said: Are these recent rises and spreading mainly down to school kids and uni students going back? I think so, and I'd think another spike when the uni students go back home for Xmas as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: Are they? 8 in 10 dont have symptoms. Thems the breaks. Yes though I probably need to qualify what 'younger people' means in this context. Average age of covid deaths may be 82 (according to Casino's post) but I'm just pointing out that many younger than this age have life changing conditions after they have recovered. That includes those that had a very mild case of the initial virus. A friend of mine (aged 60) who is very fit for his age is now seeing a cardiologist because his heart has been affected. So I don't concur with your 'thems the breaks' statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 My niece has started at Leeds uni and has got it. Shes a bit ill but nothing major. loads of them have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Casino said: And a bigger plenty aren't How do you know what may happen as those people get older ? Viruses are known to cause respiratory or cardiovascular problems and that may be the bigger impact of this disease in years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, deane koontz said: Are these recent rises and spreading mainly down to school kids and uni students going back ? I think that's what has caused Nottingham's figures to rocket, the university is testing every student and staff member in house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sweep said: I think so, and I'd think another spike when the uni students go back home for Xmas as well I'd imagine so. Was listening to LBC the other day and folk were ringing in with their uni experiences. Seemed like a lot had been in rooms were they've all had it but with minor symptoms if any. Traveling on public transport for a test too 👋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Farrelli said: How do you know what may happen as those people get older ? Viruses are known to cause respiratory or cardiovascular problems and that may be the bigger impact of this disease in years to come. Long Covid is of course a concern However its a lot of if's, but's and maybe's as things stand On the other hand, millions of people losing their jobs over the next 12 months is a nailed on fact the way things are going Edited October 9, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Was told in the pub last night that Bill Gates wants to change all of our DNA which is why he is funding vaccine development. Fucking moonmen!!! It didn’t go down well when the half the pub had decided to earwig into the fucker and burst out laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 9, 2020 We need to get back to it asap Spiders hibernation idea isn't so far fetched We can't just crack on We need to proceed with caution A two week lockdown to quash the numbers where plans are quickly put in place to ensure we can get back to it but in a safe environment Short term pain, long term gain Anyone who has lost their job over this should be employed as a Covid Enforcement Officer, they'll be the ones who keep everyone in check patrolling streets and business premises and dishing out fines for non compliance We also need to scrap WFH for anyone who didn't before all this started, that's going to batter the economy too 2021 - The New Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 The 2 week circuit breaker idea inst a bad one I half wonder if we should have been doing that from the start of all this, 2 or 3 weeks full shut down back in March (inc a lot of stuff that didn't stop like building sites etc) then everything open as normal for 6 / 8 weeks followed by a further 2 week breaker. Repeat 6 on, 2 off for the foreseeable I bet the economy would have fared better spreading the shut down out in smaller chunks, particularly the Leisure Industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: Someone will be along in a minute to say that road accidents leave loads of people with life changing conditions. and many don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: The 2 week circuit breaker idea inst a bad one I half wonder if we should have been doing that from the start of all this, 2 or 3 weeks full shut down back in March (inc a lot of stuff that didn't stop like building sites etc) then everything open as normal for 6 / 8 weeks followed by a further 2 week breaker. Repeat 6 on, 2 off for the foreseeable I bet the economy would have fared better spreading the shut down out in smaller chunks, particularly the Leisure Industry we'd still be fucked. Any sort of local.lockdown or stop start measure isn't workable. I'm not saying things should go back to normal yet, its just this was always going to hit certain sectors harder and I wish the government had thought about this as a strategy instead of food vouchers this summer. Other half is now redundant, no signs of normality for us for a long while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: How do you know? That viruses can cause cardiovascular problems ? It's already a known issue (myocarditis, cardiomyopathy). The pathways are still not fully understood but it happened to me in my 30's. Fortunately, my condition is fairly benign but I am monitored by a cardiologist. That is why I believe the long term impacts of covid should be taken very seriously and why the lockdown measures are necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: Long Covid is of course a concern However its a lot of if's, but's and maybe's as things stand On the other hand, millions of people losing their jobs over the next 12 months is a nailed on fact the way things are going You can hopefully get another job, you can't get another heart (*easily). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, deane koontz said: Are these recent rises and spreading mainly down to school kids and uni students going back ? It's purely down to more people coming into contact without others and that's been happening for ages, in loads of places. It was happening before the schools went back, but when you add more and more occasions, the contacts go up exponentially. In the spring I didnt meet anyone outside of my household for weeks, and neither did my mrs or kids. In the summer I went to pubs and restaurants and shops away from my local area. My family and I went to local shops, barbers, hairdressers, football training, friends houses, music lessons, dog groomers, met family etc etc. In sept we added schools. Exponential growth creeps up then booms suddenly. In summer it will have started slowly, maybe 1 person infecting 1 other for a few weeks, then 1.1, then 1.2, you don't notice the effect so much, 5 deaths becomes 8, nothing to worry about, but then, when 50 becomes 80, and then 500 becomes 800, people start pointing the finger. Its the same growth rate. Folk may be being just as cautious as they were back in summer when 5 became 8. You have to do something different to what you're doing now to slow it down, otherwise it carries on growing until you get herd immunity. The easiest thing to do is stop people from meeting up inside as much, and see if it works. They won't do schools until there's no other option because it has the biggest side effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: It's purely down to more people coming into contact without others and that's been happening for ages, in loads of places. It was happening before the schools went back, but when you add more and more occasions, the contacts go up exponentially. In the spring I didnt meet anyone outside of my household for weeks, and neither did my mrs or kids. In the summer I went to pubs and restaurants and shops away from my local area. My family and I went to local shops, barbers, hairdressers, football training, friends houses, music lessons, dog groomers, met family etc etc. In sept we added schools. Exponential growth creeps up then booms suddenly. In summer it will have started slowly, maybe 1 person infecting 1 other for a few weeks, then 1.1, then 1.2, you don't notice the effect so much, 5 deaths becomes 8, nothing to worry about, but then, when 50 becomes 80, and then 500 becomes 800, people start pointing the finger. Its the same growth rate. Folk may be being just as cautious as they were back in summer when 5 became 8. You have to do something different to what you're doing now to slow it down, otherwise it carries on growing until you get herd immunity. The easiest thing to do is stop people from meeting up inside as much, and see if it works. They won't do schools until there's no other option because it has the biggest side effects. Very considered and, most likely, correct. It’s like Jenga, with no one obvious trigger, so suck it and see. Which seems unfair on pubs and restaurants, especially with little evidence, but we have to start somewhere. Unless we do make a push for herd immunity. I don’t think our leaders have the bottle for that, but if a vaccine doesn’t turn up and the money runs out, we may not have any other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: How do you know? Have a read of this. https://www.independent.co.uk/section%202/covid-19-survivors-bergamo-b420928.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Apologies if posted previously https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925332/Evidence_pack_parliamentary_engagement.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Have a read of this. https://www.independent.co.uk/section%202/covid-19-survivors-bergamo-b420928.html Thanks Peely. That is a very sobering article and exactly why we should be trying to prevent the spread of covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Have a read of this. https://www.independent.co.uk/section%202/covid-19-survivors-bergamo-b420928.html It does worry me about what life altering issues all this will cause, physical and mental really. Good mate of mine, same age as me, had covid in March/April and it has triggered "reactive arthritis" so he's shafted unless he takes medication and has injections in his elbows for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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