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That was one of the loveliest things to ever happen. Stood in my garden sobbing like a baby! Proud to work for the NHS 👏👏👏👏❤️

My uncle lost his battle to this in Royal Bolton this morning, so he will be one of today’s numbers.  last rites over the phone held by a nurse with no family there. made an exception yester

I’ve sat with my mum who is slipping away, literally breathing her last today. She idolises the Queen, and whilst she didn’t in all likelihood hear that, I know she would have loved every single

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5 hours ago, Casino said:

Schools being kept open has nowt to do with kids and exams and everything to do with keeping business open

You’re right.

And this may sound contradictory to my post above. 

Even though my option 1 is still the middle ground (tier 2) of finding our way through this, with schools/businesses open abiding by strict protocols to keep us safe...

However, If a lockdown is needed because rates of infection are out of control, then for me, as much as this negates children’s education (although home/virtual learning has grown successfully since April) then this has to include schools.
 
I know so many teachers/children now who have tested positive (lots in the last fortnight). And some of those are/have been in hospital. If we are doing this to protect people and stop the spread of infection then schools should be part of the closures as well.

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5 hours ago, Casino said:

You could answer his question

Most folk who die from covid aren't far off death

 

Why? It's been asked and answered on a daily basis for the past eight months. If you need still to ask it at this point, nothing I say is going to stop you asking it again in a months time. 

66,000 excess deaths in the year to date. Hospitals filling up and deaths rising in sync with positive cases. It's a fucking massive coincidence if it's not COVID making people ill.

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2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Wearing masks didn’t work, then

I guess we'll never really know. It doesn't hurt anybody or cause any problems, so it doesn't really matter either way.

For what it's worth, I suspect we'll be expected to be wearing masks, as we are now, for at lest the next twelve months no matter what happens

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1 minute ago, Sweep said:

I guess we'll never really know. It doesn't hurt anybody or cause any problems, so it doesn't really matter either way.

For what it's worth, I suspect we'll be expected to be wearing masks, as we are now, for at lest the next twelve months no matter what happens

Yes, at least

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Operation Hibernation being given the half arsed treatment again.

We need to look at China, not Sweden, for the biggest clue on how to deal with it.

3 weeks to plan

3 weeks to execute

Merry xmas

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Just now, Tombwfc said:

 

As a single method to control the virus? Did anyone say it would?

No, I'm not sure anybody did. I think it had helped keep the number down, but I guess some, like BD don't think it's made much of a difference. As I said above, we'll never really know either way

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Lockdown didn’t work last time and it won’t work now. The virus is shit, yes it’s getting out of control but we have to live through it as safely as possible.

Locking down will cause far more problems than it will solve. 

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13 minutes ago, Spider said:

Operation Hibernation being given the half arsed treatment again.

We need to look at China, not Sweden, for the biggest clue on how to deal with it.

3 weeks to plan

3 weeks to execute

Merry xmas

Agreed. Invent the virus and have a vaccine ready to go once the rest of the world collapses. Not as daft as they look the kitchen sinks 

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6 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

Lockdown didn’t work last time and it won’t work now. The virus is shit, yes it’s getting out of control but we have to live through it as safely as possible.

Locking down will cause far more problems than it will solve. 

Think it’s more to stop the hospitals getting overwhelmed 

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5 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

Lockdown didn’t work last time and it won’t work now. The virus is shit, yes it’s getting out of control but we have to live through it as safely as possible.

Locking down will cause far more problems than it will solve. 

It absolutely did work in reducing the rate of infection. Whether or not we should or shouldn't lock down is another matter, but it did do what it was intended to do - reduce transmission.

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4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It absolutely did work in reducing the rate of infection. Whether or not we should or shouldn't lock down is another matter, but it did do what it was intended to do - reduce transmission.

It didn’t “absolutely”

That isn’t a fact

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1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Why? It's been asked and answered on a daily basis for the past eight months. If you need still to ask it at this point, nothing I say is going to stop you asking it again in a months time. 

66,000 excess deaths in the year to date. Hospitals filling up and deaths rising in sync with positive cases. It's a fucking massive coincidence if it's not COVID making people ill.

If you look back at previous pandemics over the past 50 years then when you have a lot of excess deaths in one year the following years tend to be much lower 

I believe they tend to look at a 5 year rolling average for the measure 

Thus, if you ended up with 500k excess deaths this year then the likelihood is that the next 4 years would be significantly below average and the 5 year rolling excess deaths figure would be much lower than 500k 

The average Covid death is 82, already beyond life expectancy (81) 

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And everyone took the piss when I'm.out Xmas shopping.... Last shop today and then I'm done. Boom, as they say. Bring on that lockdown, makes bog all difference to me at the moment, no family nearby, friends all over London so will see them when we can as we did over summer. If it saves Xmas and means my.mum and dad might have half a chance to get down for Xmas day, I'm all for it.

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Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Non wearing didn't.

But there not only aerosol transmission. Too many forget about touching contaminated surfaces, including potentially the outer surface of a mask.

Apparently surface transmission was grossly overstated at the beginning, as they didn't know, like touching a surface when someone has a cold isn't a huge thing. Aerosol transmission for a high viral load is the key.

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1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Non wearing didn't.

But there not only aerosol transmission. Too many forget about touching contaminated surfaces, including potentially the outer surface of a mask.

In the pubs; mask on to the table, mask on table, mask on to toilet, back from the toilet, mask on table.

Repeat to fade

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