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1 hour ago, wiggy said:

Disappointing interview with minister for safeguarding on tv just now. Asked about the fact we have vaccine centres claiming they could be doing a lot more vaccinations but are being told the can’t have more. So how will opening more centres help increase daily vaccination rates if there’s no more vaccine to give? Wouldn’t really commit to it but she kind of suggested the amount available each day was unlikely to increase any time soon because there’s no way to increase the rate of checking of each batch. Which means we aren’t getting close to the 14m target in mid February.

Govt look fucking stupid if supply stops them hitting targets, unless the supply chain is disrupted by factors that are new.  

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1 minute ago, Cat de Miami said:

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Just now, ZicoKelly said:

@peelyfeet does riding past a football ground on your bike at 10-15mph increase  your risk of infection or spreading the virus?  been a hot topic of debate in your absence

haha - depends which stadium it is

probably by about 0.0000000000001% at ours, because there's never any fucker there. 

depends -  if you were riding right behind a load of other cyclists and they were all gobbing into the air, then maybe - or if you fell or were knocked off you bike - broken leg - hospital - covid - then yeah.

I've got a mate who does triathlons - he's stopped going out on his in case he comes off it.  But the wind is going to blow all the viral particles all over the shop so I'd bet its almost next to nothing.

 

which reminds me - another conspiracy crank reckons the virus lives in the jet stream, so even if we lockdown, it will fall out of the sky and you'll breath it in when you're out walking your dog (or cat)

   

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1 minute ago, DazBob said:

What about standing on a step ladder outside a football ground? :)

hahah

Depends on what's going on around you  - the more you go to places where other people are, the higher the chance of catching it is regardless although the % increase might by miniscule its still an increase - some unlucky bastards might catch it from doing what they think is a very low risk action, someone might walk past you and sneeze into the air  - some people travelling to the football ground might crash their car, fall off the ladder, get hit on the head by a dying seagull or albatross  

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52 minutes ago, Ani said:

Govt look fucking stupid if supply stops them hitting targets, unless the supply chain is disrupted by factors that are new.  

The mail reckons theres 21 million vaccines in the country

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1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

Yeah, he was simplifying a bit, it doesn't really make mutations happen any faster, it just creates a situation that allows a mutated virus to flourish faster - say the vaccine is 95% efficacious against the current strain and only 80% against a new one, the new one would take over because it becomes more prevalent.

The issue we are going to have is that realistically we need all the world to get vaccinated, if we don't the mutations are going to rumble on in poor countries, so worldwide we arent going to get rid of it for a while, Van tam thinks never, but some others think it's possible - it doesnt mutate as mucg as flu virus does, so you may only need a shot every few years if this happens, and tweaking the existig vaccine is much faster - most of the ingredients are usually exactly the same as the original so creating it, testing and getting it authorised is a lot quicker. 

Mr Grey was wondering why more explaining isnt done at the briefings- I think you've illustrated the point. Difficult to do so without potentially creating a miss understanding somewhere, that Ani showed.

Overall, as you will know, the quicker the population is vaccinated, the less time the virus has to mutate. Assuming onward transmission is also dramatically reduced.

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6 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Why?

For this country or for global jabbing?

Ideally for here

If we are going to hit the targets and more, i dont think itll be due to Pfizer

If AZ can outstrip our demand, then imo we need to increase demand

If they cant keep up, imo, we have a problem

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4 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ideally for here

If we are going to hit the targets and more, i dont think itll be due to Pfizer

If AZ can outstrip our demand, then imo we need to increase demand

If they cant keep up, imo, we have a problem

We’ve got 21m in the country, so that’s enough to get us through Mid-Feb

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A couple of days ago Hancock told one of the select committees that there was around 20m doses available in total.

Wasn't exactly listening intently, so I'm glad the paper has confirmed it.

Within the cohorts, I would presume there is a slight bias towards areas with higher rates, though this might not be the case.

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2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve just got a letter to go for a flu jab, why the fuck don’t they prioritise the Covid jab? 

I know what you're saying about concentrating on covid, but flu is still a thing folk could do without.

You won't qualify for your covid jab yet, so just take your flu one soon as.

It may be that chemists will do the flu jabs, as not all will be used for covid. Where are you going for yours?

 

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35 minutes ago, Casino said:

The mail reckons theres 21 million vaccines in the country

I saw that, and it's really good news - no excuse now for not hitting the 13M they said they would by 15th February

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3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

We’ve got 21m in the country, so that’s enough to get us through Mid-Feb

Then what?

Hence my interest in supply beyond there

The here and now, we are going well, but I would like to know we aren't going to fall off a cliff

 

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8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve just got a letter to go for a flu jab, why the fuck don’t they prioritise the Covid jab? 

This should be fun

Why do you think you've been offered flu not covid

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1 minute ago, Casino said:

Then what?

Hence my interest in supply beyond there

The here and now, we are going well, but I would like to know we aren't going to fall off a cliff

 

Fair point.

I'm sure someone is planning for beyond Mid-Feb, but let's get there, with a view on transmitaility and other science stuff and then take a fresh guard.

 

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3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Then what?

Hence my interest in supply beyond there

The here and now, we are going well, but I would like to know we aren't going to fall off a cliff

 

Don't they now have to be batch tested or something now? - My understanding, which is obviously very limited, is that even though they're in the country, they aren't ready to be stuck into people yet

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4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Mr Grey was wondering why more explaining isnt done at the briefings- I think you've illustrated the point. Difficult to do so without potentially creating a miss understanding somewhere, that Ani showed.

Overall, as you will know, the quicker the population is vaccinated, the less time the virus has to mutate. Assuming onward transmission is also dramatically reduced.

Yeah - the data coming out from Israel looks like the pfizer one is definately reducing onward transmision - and reading between the lines, I think all the vaccine producing companies are almost certain that all he vaccines will prevent onward transmission to a large extent, they just dont have the data to prove it because it's nigh on impossible to prove conclusively, and so they won't publish it

 

The fact is,  if the virus stops someone "developing" covid, they aren't going to be expelling anywhere near the amount of viral particles (if any at all) into the air as someone with full blown covid, but they are more likely to be out and about, and measuring the amount of viral particles someone expells is difficult to say the least, but I'm 99% sure we will see correlation of the spread decreasing, especially in the older populations, very soon, everywhere that the vaccine is being rolled out extensively.

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