bolton_blondie 128 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Was told today 14 in ICU/ventilation. Nurses are fucked and suffering 😢. Its shit. I feel so guilty I can't go to the covid+ patients on our caseload and the other girls are having to pick up 😢 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,564 Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't think the criticism was aimed at them, was it? Its continuous in the HoC. Private sector bad. Public sector good. I'm quite a keen proponent of the public sector; its responsible for a lot of good stuff and is often better than private. That doesn't mean the private sector is automatically and though. We need both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Aldo Raine 113 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Its continuous in the HoC. Private sector bad. Public sector good. I'm quite a keen proponent of the public sector; its responsible for a lot of good stuff and is often better than private. That doesn't mean the private sector is automatically and though. We need both. But it isn't the people on the front line they're criticising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,564 Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: But it isn't the people on the front line they're criticising. That's not how it comes across. The constant suggestion that company x isn't up to the job is a criticism of all, without specific details. It's too easy to use them as a punch bag to push the line that public sector is always best. In the instance of tracing for example, clearly more boots on the ground of local phe groups would have been preferable. However, with the huge numbers involved, some centralised tracing proved necessary under the circumstances. Not necessarily been particularly great, but given the tools available at the time, needs must. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tombwfc 154 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: all very good points [B]you give some leeway because it's the first time it's happened to us[/B] but you could see it sweeping over from the east, through Europe to the UK, and we didn't even take notice of what was happening in Italy and Spain said at the time, there won't be a second wave when we came out of lockdown in the summer, because the first one hadn't even finished You can give some leeway that the first time this happened to us was in March. Less so about letting it happen to us again, eight months later. Hopefully the next time people will take it seriously from the start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Aldo Raine 113 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: That's not how it comes across. The constant suggestion that company x isn't up to the job is a criticism of all, without specific details. It's too easy to use them as a punch bag to push the line that public sector is always best. In the instance of tracing for example, clearly more boots on the ground of local phe groups would have been preferable. However, with the huge numbers involved, some centralised tracing proved necessary under the circumstances. Not necessarily been particularly great, but given the tools available at the time, needs must. It seems fairly clear to me that it's the lack of infrastructure which is being criticised rather than the people on the ground taking the swabs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Aldo Raine 113 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 A Government poll suggests that just 17% of people with symptoms are booking a test. Not good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,367 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Ani said: Mentioned today in briefing people impersonating others at vaccine sites to jump the queue. Any particular groups? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
little whitt 476 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Any particular groups? the ones that all look the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horwich 203 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 On 14/01/2021 at 18:02, Casino said: It varies area to area Lots of GPs didnt get involved at the beginning I believe Horwich is just starting My mum had hers today. Horwich RMI currently being used for the vaccines. Starting at the Reebok soon aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,367 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) Israel way ahead in the vax stakes, but cases aren't coming down as yet Edited January 21 by boltondiver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Traf 2,620 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 15 minutes ago, little whitt said: the ones that all look the same chinese? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Escobarp 1,448 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 15 minutes ago, little whitt said: the ones that all look the same How do they determine who’s behind the letter box? Impossible isn’t it really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1969 68 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 10 minutes ago, Horwich said: My mum had hers today. Horwich RMI currently being used for the vaccines. Starting at the Reebok soon aswell. My dads booked in at Reebok next Thursday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ani 1,153 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 50 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Any particular groups? Nothing mentioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zico 1,769 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Noted that the "deliverer of bad news" Dr Fauci is back on our screens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Escobarp 1,448 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Noted that the "deliverer of bad news" Dr Fauci is back on our screens Thought that was @Farrelli? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casino 2,360 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Ani said: Mentioned today in briefing people impersonating others at vaccine sites to jump the queue. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/covid-vaccine-queue-jump-it-loophole-b900458.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,564 Posted January 21 Site Supporter Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It seems fairly clear to me that it's the lack of infrastructure which is being criticised rather than the people on the ground taking the swabs. The lack of infrastructure is a separate discussion to the response. Even whitty was questioned early doors about his approach. As he explained, "I had to deal with the situation as presented". No doubt that inadequate resources available at the start- but the constant drip feed of criticism of these companies is there for anyone to see. It's quite shameful. I took the trouble of having more of a look on government website- there are hundreds of companies and individuals approved to help out with the response. During statements and questions- its more political ideology- why are we using private companies and not what we have. Which misses the point, they didn't exist. At the end of all this, we will see what happens to public health and associated resources. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lt. Aldo Raine 113 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: The lack of infrastructure is a separate discussion to the response. Even whitty was questioned early doors about his approach. As he explained, "I had to deal with the situation as presented". No doubt that inadequate resources available at the start- but the constant drip feed of criticism of these companies is there for anyone to see. It's quite shameful. I took the trouble of having more of a look on government website- there are hundreds of companies and individuals approved to help out with the response. During statements and questions- its more political ideology- why are we using private companies and not what we have. Which misses the point, they didn't exist. At the end of all this, we will see what happens to public health and associated resources. We obviously view it differently then. I don't think any of the criticism equates to criticism of the people at the sharp end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Casino 2,360 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: We obviously view it differently then. I don't think any of the criticism equates to criticism of the people at the sharp end. Its definitely not a criticism of the private sector Its how/why the companies are chosen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Escobarp 1,448 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Scandalous. Footsoldiers and the real working men being pushed aside https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55755529 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elson 63 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 22/01/2020 at 12:57, Rudy said: Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? Cheers Rudy defo wasn’t a slow news day been a year to forget Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roger_Dubuis 71 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 CEO of British Pubs Association saying there's talk all pubs will be closed until May Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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