Site Supporter Zico 1,832 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 37 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I disagree. I think they are placing massive faith in the vaccination programme to drive down hospitalizations and I firmly believe 21st June England will be fully open for business. we shall see of course amongst other things, the roadmap / plan takes into account "behavioural responses to any changes" and assumes "no change in adherence following vaccination" that'll be the biggest factor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmjhb 126 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: 8489; lowest since late September? 2nd October I read Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Escobarp 1,523 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, Zico said: amongst other things, the roadmap / plan takes into account "behavioural responses to any changes" and assumes "no change in adherence following vaccination" that'll be the biggest factor Same people who’ve been breaking the rules will still be breaking the rules today and all the way through. It’s why we are still here. But it’s never spoken of for some reason. We all know many people doing it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Horwich 205 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Why are 670,000 people taking tests and less than 9000 are positive 🤷🏻♀️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
e2e4 37 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 42 minutes ago, jmjhb said: look back to when it first started, we were getting 500-1000 deaths (a day/week? , its unclear on the chart). i'm not sure how they can "come out of it" if its getting roughly the same numbers as when no one knew what were going on back in march/april/may etc. why were they "ZOMG !! hair on fire" back then , but now "ha, well be back in june" if the deaths are approximately similar i know theyll say summat about a vaccine.. but the numbers seem similar even under more "experience" with it. shouldnt that be more concerning ? Edited February 23 by e2e4 spelt the months wrong, deleted a typo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,401 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 16 minutes ago, e2e4 said: look back to when it first started, we were getting 500-1000 deaths (a day/week? , its unclear on the chart). i'm not sure how they can "come out of it" if its getting roughly the same numbers as when no one knew what were going on back in march/april/may etc. why were they "ZOMG !! hair on fire" back then , but now "ha, well be back in june" if the deaths are approximately similar i know theyll say summat about a vaccine.. but the numbers seem similar even under more "experience" with it. shouldnt that be more concerning ? I literally don’t understand what you are saying. It’s probably profound and insightful, but.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS 670 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 12 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I literally don’t understand what you are saying. It’s probably profound and insightful, but.... You could pin that to every one of his posts tbf.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,626 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 31 minutes ago, e2e4 said: look back to when it first started, we were getting 500-1000 deaths (a day/week? , its unclear on the chart). i'm not sure how they can "come out of it" if its getting roughly the same numbers as when no one knew what were going on back in march/april/may etc. why were they "ZOMG !! hair on fire" back then , but now "ha, well be back in june" if the deaths are approximately similar i know theyll say summat about a vaccine.. but the numbers seem similar even under more "experience" with it. shouldnt that be more concerning ? In the end no. If vaccine numbers are very high, the virus is manageable. Just got to get there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
e2e4 37 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I literally don’t understand what you are saying. It’s probably profound and insightful, but.... say the deaths are the same (ive tried looking and the death rate in june 2020? was roughly the same as now) . why are they coming out with roadmaps now ? surely they should be talking about being under lockdown for another eight weeks ? based off of the amount of deaths. we've had 550 deaths before, they never said "right that means we can reopen in 10 weeks" back then. if 550 deaths was too high *then* shouldnt it be too high *now* . i Edited February 23 by e2e4 typo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,626 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 Rising before. Dropping now with a vaccination programme. Different situation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
e2e4 37 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 hmmm, i reckon in 8 weeks they'll come out with some line about the ratio of deaths to infection being too high. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket 1,626 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, e2e4 said: hmmm, i reckon in 8 weeks they'll come out with some line about the ratio of deaths to infection being too high. No chance. That’s one figure that will fall. Should a large increase in cases actually occur, then there may well be hospitalisations and deaths, but not at the previous rate. The figures for protection, including in the old, from the vaccine are tremendous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmjhb 126 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 in 8 weeks time the vast majority of the 60-79 bracket should be seeing the effects from their first dose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ani 1,201 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Deaths are always the last thing to move. So the current deaths are related to the infections of 4-5 weeks ago. The drop in infections in recent weeks has according to the briefings exceeded expectations. That alone would be encouraging but infections can happen after vaccination, but deaths should be massively lower. Hopefully the drop in deaths is 'guaranteed' for next 3-4 weeks based on the drop in infections. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Members MickyD 1,023 Posted February 23 Members Share Posted February 23 No idea why that jumped onto Corona virus thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Youri McAnespie 809 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 So the owner bought a new kettle just so his tenants could piss in it for the next lot... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Site Supporter Francis Fogarty 52 Posted February 23 Site Supporter Share Posted February 23 40 minutes ago, MickyD said: No idea why that jumped onto Corona virus thread. New variant Micky ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,401 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, e2e4 said: hmmm, i reckon in 8 weeks they'll come out with some line about the ratio of deaths to infection being too high. Highly unlikely For 2 reasons; 1. They’ll pick up on it and the unwinding will stop 2. (more likely and hopefully); The vaccine Edited February 23 by boltondiver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,401 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Last Tuesday: 799 deaths and 10,625 cases reported. This Tuesday: 548 deaths and 8,489 cases reported. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moderators Casino 2,408 Posted February 23 Moderators Share Posted February 23 (edited) Wtf is going on with the vaccinations Its almost like they lied to hit the target and now its correcting itself 2 shit days might be sat and sun, but isnt it now about 500k in 3 days? Edited February 23 by Casino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Youri McAnespie 809 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The younger the invited get then the more selfish, more tinfoil-hatted, more flaky, more 'independent-minded', more lazy, more scaredy-cat etc.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Escobarp 1,523 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Slow down in supply? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boltondiver 1,401 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 37 minutes ago, Casino said: Wtf is going on with the vaccinations Its almost like they lied to hit the target and now its correcting itself 2 shit days might be sat and sun, but isnt it now about 500k in 3 days? I don’t think that’s the case, remember the target was to offer to the top priority list, but they made it with actual jabs. Something else, don’t know what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gonk 317 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 37 minutes ago, Casino said: Wtf is going on with the vaccinations Its almost like they lied to hit the target and now its correcting itself 2 shit days might be sat and sun, but isnt it now about 500k in 3 days? Medical professional think she was something to do with the vaccines task force said there will be daily peaks and troughs due to the nature of batch supply, and to look at the trend over at least a couple of weeks or so rather than daily or even weekly numbers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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