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1 minute ago, Spider said:

This is grim - the ONS are saying another 7,000+ deaths have been registered as CV19 that are not on the daily figures.

I assume these won't be added to the figures? Don't see why not if that's the cause on the death certificate.

Government have done well so far in the main, but not adding these seems churlich.

 

I don't know if/when they'll ever add these into the numbers  - you see now they always refer to "in hospital" and I assume they'll keep posting those figures on a daily basis, I don't see them suddenly having a day where they post an extra +7000 cases, to incorporate the non hospital fatalities - I'd like to see the real number (I'm not actually sure why though)

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9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

So nothing to see here?

Who knows?

I’m all in favour of a full review at the end and learning as we go, but pundits are playing politics. I suppose they’ve nothing better to do.

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5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I just heard Sturgeon outlining, I haven’t read an article.

 

Yeah she’s saying people could wear a scarf of cloth of some sort over their face in confined social environments in case they have it and to stop the spread. But then says no evidence masks on social situations work. It’s a bit of a muddled article 

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Just now, Escobarp said:

Where did I say they were rules?
Toddle off with your wee childish shithouse snipes eh 

back under your rock son 

 

What a surprise. If it doesn’t fit your narrative then it’s back to name calling. Tedious!

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1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

What a surprise. If it doesn’t fit your narrative then it’s back to name calling. Tedious!

Not quite but if it makes you happy in your wee bubble then that makes me happy too

i wish I made snide remarks about folk anonymously. Lovely trait 

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3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Who knows?

I’m all in favour of a full review at the end and learning as we go, but pundits are playing politics. I suppose they’ve nothing better to do.

Thing is we all know what the narrative will be once this is over.
 

‘It’s time to move on.........’

 

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3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Not quite but if it makes you happy in your wee bubble then that makes me happy too

i wish I made snide remarks about folk anonymously. Lovely trait 

Aye. Whereas you go more for the gang up and hurl abuse at posters with your little band of mates. Sad.

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Guy I know part owns a restaurant and says they have been in positive discussions with the council about steps required to look at reopening. Social distancing limit on capacity and licensing restrictions etc. 

he’s not saying he’s going to be opening anytime soon but I took this is a positive and seemingly sensible conversation to be having and bodes well?

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Just to go back to the BBC article for a minute.

Who were the so called experts that the government consulted with originally before changing their minds based on the recommendations of the ACDP?

I'd have expected the government to consult with the ACDP in both instances. It's what they are there for - to provide advise on how best to deal with dangerous pathogens.

In terms of PPE given that the ACDP advise the HSE. I'd expect them to be up to date with the current best practice on the protective measures that needed to be taken.

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42 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Why make indirect comments about people and then hide behind a they can make their own minds up?

either say it or don’t? Surely that’s the most appropriate way to be? 

 

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Escobarp: Some awfully wet beds in the left Leaning commie households this evening. Bless their little cotton socks

 

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27 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Thing is we all know what the narrative will be once this is over.
 

‘It’s time to move on.........’

 

I don’t know

But the country will decide whether the Government did its best, at the appropriate time.

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Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
World 3,085,023 +22,508 212,528 +1,079 934,549 1,937,946 56,365 396 27.3    
USA 1,010,507 +151 56,803 +6 139,162 814,542 14,186 3,053 172 5,696,928 17,211
Italy 199,414   26,977   66,624 105,813 1,956 3,298 446 1,789,662 29,600
Spain 232,128 +2,706 23,822 +301 123,903 84,403 7,764 4,965 510 1,345,560 28,779
France 165,842   23,293   45,513 97,036 4,608 2,541 357 463,662 7,103
UK 157,149   21,092   N/A 135,713 1,559 2,315 311 719,910 10,605
Belgium 47,334 +647 7,331 +124 10,943 29,060 876 4,084 633 220,204 19,000
Germany 158,768 +10 6,136 +10 117,400 35,232 2,409 1,895 73 2,072,669 24,738
Iran 92,584 +1,112 5,877 +71 72,439 14,268 2,983 1,102 70 442,590 5,269

 

I know they say it's a global problem, but we're likely to end up 2nd/3rd in this table (if we add in the ONS figures we're already 2nd).

Why have we suffered much worse?

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3 minutes ago, Spider said:
Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
World 3,085,023 +22,508 212,528 +1,079 934,549 1,937,946 56,365 396 27.3    
USA 1,010,507 +151 56,803 +6 139,162 814,542 14,186 3,053 172 5,696,928 17,211
Italy 199,414   26,977   66,624 105,813 1,956 3,298 446 1,789,662 29,600
Spain 232,128 +2,706 23,822 +301 123,903 84,403 7,764 4,965 510 1,345,560 28,779
France 165,842   23,293   45,513 97,036 4,608 2,541 357 463,662 7,103
UK 157,149   21,092   N/A 135,713 1,559 2,315 311 719,910 10,605
Belgium 47,334 +647 7,331 +124 10,943 29,060 876 4,084 633 220,204 19,000
Germany 158,768 +10 6,136 +10 117,400 35,232 2,409 1,895 73 2,072,669 24,738
Iran 92,584 +1,112 5,877 +71 72,439 14,268 2,983 1,102 70 442,590 5,269

 

I know they say it's a global problem, but we're likely to end up 2nd/3rd in this table (if we add in the ONS figures we're already 2nd).

Why have we suffered much worse?

Too late into lockdown, and a pretty piss poor attempt at lockdown probably

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1 hour ago, Horwich said:

Lockdown will take an age having to deal with nobs like these 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/disability-52323854

 

I think she's got a point to be honest.

I was watching an American clip the other day. The mayor of Baltimore was conducting a press conference and facing a hostile question  on his actions. The fella signing for him was dutifully intepreting the criticism till a flunky and then the mayor instead told him to stop: 'you interpret for us'.

He's got carpeted for it

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-pol-interpreter-cut-off-coronavirus-20200423-zxacccolmvbcbcluaew4wlumjm-story.html

anyway one thing which came out is that this whole quarantine has been very scary for the deaf, because they're shut out of a lot of the information and so they're feeling even more isolated, confused and upset than the average joe.

Long way of saying I think they have a point and if any more can be done to help the deaf or others who are struggling then I hope it happens. 

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12 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Too late into lockdown, and a pretty piss poor attempt at lockdown probably

Lockdown not being as strict as other countries and gawps....the thousands of gawps who walk amongst us trying their best to break the lockdown rules

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18 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

 

Have called out all those people many times. By name and directly to them I think your trawling will find that sweet cheeks.  You’re not quite as bad as Fartelli I shall give you your dues. But to trawl back like that is quite obsessive. Are you ok petal?? Do you need a we cuddle? Is everything ok at home?

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2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Have called out all those people many times. By name and directly to them I think your trawling will find that sweet cheeks.  You’re not quite as bad as Fartelli I shall give you your dues. But to trawl back like that is quite obsessive. Are you ok petal?? Do you need a we cuddle? Is everything ok at home?

You need to go to a few more of your anger management classes you desperate sad case.

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Just now, Farrelli said:

You need to go to a few more of your anger management classes you desperate sad case.

No I really don’t darling and I don’t attend anger management classes per se

But thank you for your concern shittybreeks 💩 now 😘

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11 minutes ago, Spider said:
Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
World 3,085,023 +22,508 212,528 +1,079 934,549 1,937,946 56,365 396 27.3    
USA 1,010,507 +151 56,803 +6 139,162 814,542 14,186 3,053 172 5,696,928 17,211
Italy 199,414   26,977   66,624 105,813 1,956 3,298 446 1,789,662 29,600
Spain 232,128 +2,706 23,822 +301 123,903 84,403 7,764 4,965 510 1,345,560 28,779
France 165,842   23,293   45,513 97,036 4,608 2,541 357 463,662 7,103
UK 157,149   21,092   N/A 135,713 1,559 2,315 311 719,910 10,605
Belgium 47,334 +647 7,331 +124 10,943 29,060 876 4,084 633 220,204 19,000
Germany 158,768 +10 6,136 +10 117,400 35,232 2,409 1,895 73 2,072,669 24,738
Iran 92,584 +1,112 5,877 +71 72,439 14,268 2,983 1,102 70 442,590 5,269

 

I know they say it's a global problem, but we're likely to end up 2nd/3rd in this table (if we add in the ONS figures we're already 2nd).

Why have we suffered much worse?

It's going to be a complex question to answer. I don't think it will be as simple as when did you enter lockdown or how severe were the restrictions. There'll be questions of urban and rural geography, environment, healthcare, social care, housing, social mobility, cultural norms amongst different sectors of the population, etc etc.

Then there's the potential for a second wave come the autumn which in those Imperial projections looks bloody terrifying. Is that less or more virulent? Do countries with high initial exposure have a strong second half of the fixture? Are there improvements in treatment on the way which will change the rules of the game?

To me it all comes down to testing. We need proper accurate figures, don't really trust any countries at the moment. We need comprehensive tests to work out fatality rate accurately and we need to know about immunity. I don't understand why we've made so little progress with this, we were supposed to have made a good start on tests but they don't appear to be very accurate and they've not been able to scale them as the infection spread.  

 

 

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