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6 minutes ago, MickyD said:

A question:

I get that some teachers will be working from home doing online lessons. I also get that some teachers are in school teaching the children of essential workers.

What happens, though, when the schools should be closed? Be it weekends or school holidays, the essential workers will still be needed in work and those who use schools as their childcare still need it to be provided. Will it be?

Still open I think Micky. Sure they were on bank holiday.

As an aside, we received an incredibly detailed proposal from my lad's school as to their way of meeting guidance for year 10s coming back.

Seems like a heck of a lot of good, hard work has gone on and is as safe as you could expect it to be.

Whether enough parents will agree (via the accompanying questionnaire) we will find out this evening.

One thing is clearly evident though, if as Chris Whitty discussed previously, social distancing carries on for many months yet, then there's no way any school can cater for all of the children full time.

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

I think it's more the realisation that he's totally out of his depth and there's many better paid opportunities for much less effort

Charisma only gets you so far

No doubting he’s a bright bloke. He’s also a spectacularly lazy  cunt

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All our staff back from furlough next week and no plan to furlough anyone going forward. Full steam ahead. Positive news that I feel for such a large business to be taking that stance hopefully plenty more are doing the same 

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8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

All our staff back from furlough next week and no plan to furlough anyone going forward. Full steam ahead. Positive news that I feel for such a large business to be taking that stance hopefully plenty more are doing the same 

Good news that 

I’m still none the wiser what’s going on 

getting increasingly bored now 

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From the Mail...

"Hundreds of thousands of coronavirus tests sent to people's homes have been counted but never returned to labs, PHE's testing boss has suggested.

Professor John Newton, director of health improvement at Public Health England, could only say today that 'more than half' of home tests had been completed.

The Government claims that 719,000 tests have been delivered to people for them to complete the swabs themselves, but a significant chunk of these may never have been done."

 

Might as well have stuck them in the bin and counted it.

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2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Agree to disagree. He isn't out of his depth for me. We all know he isn't a stickler for in depth detail- which may not be ideal currently, but as long as his delegated folk are doing their jobs well, that's more than half his battle.

He's already got a deal over the line in no time when most said he couldn't. Whether you voted in or out he's moved the process along from its inertia.

I do agree though, that he'll not stay around for ages as I think he will want to write more books and explore other options.

He got a deal that was worse than the one he had rejected

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23 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

From the Mail...

"Hundreds of thousands of coronavirus tests sent to people's homes have been counted but never returned to labs, PHE's testing boss has suggested.

Professor John Newton, director of health improvement at Public Health England, could only say today that 'more than half' of home tests had been completed.

The Government claims that 719,000 tests have been delivered to people for them to complete the swabs themselves, but a significant chunk of these may never have been done."

 

Might as well have stuck them in the bin and counted it.

I've well and truly had it with this Tory leadership 

And the last election was the first time I voted for anything other than blue

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25 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

From the Mail...

"Hundreds of thousands of coronavirus tests sent to people's homes have been counted but never returned to labs, PHE's testing boss has suggested.

Professor John Newton, director of health improvement at Public Health England, could only say today that 'more than half' of home tests had been completed.

The Government claims that 719,000 tests have been delivered to people for them to complete the swabs themselves, but a significant chunk of these may never have been done."

 

Might as well have stuck them in the bin and counted it.

But if they feel they need to take two tests then how is that akin to putting them in the bin? It’s really not in reality is 

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2 hours ago, MickyD said:

A question:

I get that some teachers will be working from home doing online lessons. I also get that some teachers are in school teaching the children of essential workers.

What happens, though, when the schools should be closed? Be it weekends or school holidays, the essential workers will still be needed in work and those who use schools as their childcare still need it to be provided. Will it be?

I think outside normal school hours you're expected to make your own arrangements

Which, to a point, is fair enough

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2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

But if they feel they need to take two tests then how is that akin to putting them in the bin? It’s really not in reality is 

The count we need is how many tests have been done in labs

I still think Hancocks got 150k in his boot

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4 minutes ago, Casino said:

The count we need is how many tests have been done in labs

I still think Hancocks got 150k in his boot

I agree that is the count we need. Never disputed that 

but if we need to test people twice to ensure accuracy (for whatever reason) its not the same as putting them in the bin. 

I can’t see them wasting the tests unnecessarily and they have openly stated the number of people that they are actually testing. But it should only be that number the other is totally irrelevant 

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1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

I agree that is the count we need. Never disputed that 

but if we need to test people twice to ensure accuracy (for whatever reason) its not the same as putting them in the bin. 

I can’t see them wasting the tests unnecessarily and they have openly stated the number of people that they are actually testing. But it should only be that number the other is totally irrelevant 

My understanding was if one person was being counted as 2 that there'd been a fcuk up or inconclusive result

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20 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

But if they feel they need to take two tests then how is that akin to putting them in the bin? It’s really not in reality is 

 

Two separate methods of testing, two separate issues. The two swabs come from the in-person testing PHE do - key workers and people in hospital. A nasal swab and a mouth swab from one person taken at the same time, which are being counted as two tests.

At least those actually are being tested at some point, even if counting both is misleading.

The home tests are sent out to people, and counted as a 'test' in the daily figures at that point. According to John Newton today, a significant number of those never get sent back. So in effect those ones might as well have been binned, or be in Matt Hancock's boot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8347479/Britain-abandoned-coronavirus-testing-March-outbreak-BIG.html

It's a nonsensical method of counting, which is helpful to no-one other than politicans.

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Are we seriously at the point where someone has to ask the government to tell us how many people have been tested, rather than the government saying how many tests have left the warehouse?

Seriously?

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4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

He's already got a deal over the line in no time when most said he couldn't. Whether you voted in or out he's moved the process along from its inertia.

You must have been reading different news from me then as all the papers are saying that currently we have no deal and if anything we've gone backwards with "no deal" being odds on favourite now i.e. chaos at the ports, supply chain issues and price increases.

As far as I can tell, there's been nothing other a grandiose gesture on Boris's behalf to say that we're definitely leaving (at some time in the future)  but absolutely no progress whatsoever in negotiating future trade arrangements - only to be expected if you promise people they'll get what's on their wishlist rather than what's actually on the table.

 

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2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

But if they feel they need to take two tests then how is that akin to putting them in the bin? It’s really not in reality is 

i wonder if pigeonhole principle or some other weird thing has them doing two. 

dunno how or why . but it must be summat . 

 

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2 hours ago, Spider said:

Are we seriously at the point where someone has to ask the government to tell us how many people have been tested, rather than the government saying how many tests have left the warehouse?

Seriously?

Don’t forget this is the bellend with his extra 50k nurses

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2 hours ago, Casino said:

I think outside normal school hours you're expected to make your own arrangements

Which, to a point, is fair enough

My badly made point was that we are allowing these essential staff access to schools as daytime childcare in order that the essential work is covered. We’re  also saying that a person from one household can’t visit another or be visited by another. So no childcare by relatives or even an after-school type business.
My point was who looks after the kids if the schools are closed? The work is no less essential so staying at home for the six week holidays isn’t an option.

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45 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

You must have been reading different news from me then as all the papers are saying that currently we have no deal and if anything we've gone backwards with "no deal" being odds on favourite now i.e. chaos at the ports, supply chain issues and price increases.

As far as I can tell, there's been nothing other a grandiose gesture on Boris's behalf to say that we're definitely leaving (at some time in the future)  but absolutely no progress whatsoever in negotiating future trade arrangements - only to be expected if you promise people they'll get what's on their wishlist rather than what's actually on the table.

 

Yes but don’t forget the passports and making all our own laws! #independent coastal state.

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I know

I'm just thinking many working families depend on schools being open

The fact their normal summer plans are out of the window will prob loom large in the headlights of this govt the day before the end of term

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