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1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Strange phenomenon with excess deaths. Dropped below average for the UK now. However Scotland's figures are still higher than normal.

Presumably this is due to a lag on the availability of the statistics.

As for Leicester- I see the usuals playing the blame game 

Therefore I'll point out that Joe Anderson decided not to open Liverpool's schools at the time when others were: a proactive step from the mayor maybe.

Perhaps Leicester's mayor could have done similarly with regard to reopening.

 

 

Is it not better if local authorities take the advice given to them by the government at face value? Especially when they don't have access to all the data? Boris's contribution to the last two PMQs has largely been him banging his fist and screeching that it's safe for kids to be back in school.

Up until late last week, the only data on new cases Soulsby had would've told him that Leicester had had 80 cases in the previous two weeks. Not 900+.

 

 

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Joe Anderson didn't take it at face value, he made a decision that he felt was right.

Interesting that you've got some additional data there- if you can see it couldn't he?

Or at least approach the authorities?

Moreover, this just proves my point: the blame game is unhelpful, and irresponsible.

If people are wary of ridiculous amounts of scrutiny (often with bias or incorrect information) then there's a danger they will be reluctant to make decisions, or look to hide them if it transpires a better alternative was available.

Now is not the time.

 

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19 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Is it not better if local authorities take the advice given to them by the government at face value? Especially when they don't have access to all the data? Boris's contribution to the last two PMQs has largely been him banging his fist and screeching that it's safe for kids to be back in school.

Up until late last week, the only data on new cases Soulsby had would've told him that Leicester had had 80 cases in the previous two weeks. Not 900+.

 

 

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seems the advice ought to be, you know we are shit, so dig a bit deeper for the facts and make your own minds up

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In simpleton terms

And I might be wrong

Is that fellow on Twitter saying that the reported "confirmed cases" by the govt. are just ones done in hospitals?

They are not "openly" reporting the confirmed cases from tests taken everywhere else?

If so, that is absolutely fucking rank.

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What classes as “pillar 1” and what is “pillar 2”?

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Pillar 1 is in hospitals, pillar 2 is in community, I think.

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Why have 2 pillars?

Then again, they count tests put in the post as a test.

This really ought not to surprise anyone.

4 on 10.

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I've had a cracking idea: wifi-enabled masks! I'm on a fucking winner here. No-one's thought of it before.

£100k for 10%, Deborah

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1 hour ago, Spider said:

In simpleton terms

And I might be wrong

Is that fellow on Twitter saying that the reported "confirmed cases" by the govt. are just ones done in hospitals?

They are not "openly" reporting the confirmed cases from tests taken everywhere else?

If so, that is absolutely fucking rank.

I don’t think that is correct

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A lot of the reporting of figures changed once the statistics authority (whatever they're called) gave the government a slap on the wrist over the nature of some of the figures.

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24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

A lot of the reporting of figures changed once the statistics authority (whatever they're called) gave the government a slap on the wrist over the nature of some of the figures.

ONS (office of national statistics?)

Interesting point made on BBC breakfast this morning when interviewing Hancock about the government wanting to put out the highest figure in relation to tests. 

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46 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I don’t think that is correct

So what are the two pillars then?

Genuinely don’t know.

Ive assumed the government would give the full figure every day. Why hold some back????

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18 hours ago, Traf said:

No reputable UK package operator is flying holidaymakers to Greece before that date anyway.

So are you doing them then 😁

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24 minutes ago, Spider said:

 Why hold some back????

You little tinker

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I'll help

This govt are dodgy as fuck

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1 minute ago, Spider said:

Peeley

Any chance you can precís that down into a couple of sentences

Please

Nhs and commercial 

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3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Nhs and commercial 

So why not just give one total rather than hiding the commercial deep on page 46?

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They do give the full total for the country overall (todays is 680 odd), but at a local level they only include Pillar 1. So Leicester was down for having 40 cases a week when it actually had over 10x that.

No big deal generally, but it's fairly useless if it then takes 11 days to pass that data on to the local authorities. And then send an email at 1am to tell them you think you might shut their city down.

 

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2 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said:

I've had a cracking idea: wifi-enabled masks! I'm on a fucking winner here. No-one's thought of it before.

£100k for 10%, Deborah

And detects the virus and changes colour if you've got it, so people can run away or it sends a message to you via bluetooth through the ear strings to say "that fat cunt in the Blackburn 3rd strip (2016) over there to your left has got it". And it's got a USB and microphone built in for your hands free calls. And you can turn on track and trace by picking your nose. "Mask Alexa" I'm calling it. Fucking get in.

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4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Joe Anderson didn't take it at face value, he made a decision that he felt was right.

Interesting that you've got some additional data there- if you can see it couldn't he?

Or at least approach the authorities?

Moreover, this just proves my point: the blame game is unhelpful, and irresponsible.

If people are wary of ridiculous amounts of scrutiny (often with bias or incorrect information) then there's a danger they will be reluctant to make decisions, or look to hide them if it transpires a better alternative was available.

Now is not the time.

 

 

Presumably the government withhold this data because they want to be the ones making these decisions? (And because it'd put a bit of a downer on the pubs opening)

Joe Anderson isn't an epidemiologist, neither is Peter Soulsby. It's in no-ones interests for them or anyone to be making decisions without having all the facts.

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17 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

They do give the full total for the country overall (todays is 680 odd), but at a local level they only include Pillar 1. So Leicester was down for having 40 cases a week when it actually had over 10x that.

No big deal generally, but it's fairly useless if it then takes 11 days to pass that data on to the local authorities. And then send an email at 1am to tell them you think you might shut their city down.

 

Cheers.

I'll stand down on my readiness to give Boris and chums both barrels.

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22 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Presumably the government withhold this data because they want to be the ones making these decisions? (And because it'd put a bit of a downer on the pubs opening)

Joe Anderson isn't an epidemiologist, neither is Peter Soulsby. It's in no-ones interests for them or anyone to be making decisions without having all the facts.

But they're happy to comment though?

They're in positions of responsibility too, and it's still in their remit to make decisions. Johnson isn't an epidemiologist either, but lots like you like to criticise and lay blame.

I choose not to and won't criticise the likes of Anderson one bit for his decision. Doesn't matter whether it turns out to be the right or wrong one- he acted in what he believed was the best interests of the people of his city.

Neither will I seek to lay blame at anyone for doing their best whatever their role is. No one is seeking to do bad things deliberately and shouldn't be pursued in such an accusatory manner.

No doubt mistakes have and will continue to be made, learning from them is vital and having headless chickens throwing daggers won't help.

If folk want to play the blame game, then perhaps research the suggestions that illegal 'sweat shops' didn't stop work during lockdown in the Leicester area. Potentially a very deliberate act contrary to the best interests of everyone and worthy of immediate sanction if proved correct.

 

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