London Wanderer Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 13 hours ago, Escobarp said: If I’m having to point that out its worrying. Anyone goes on holiday at the moment does so knowing the risks attached. If they don’t know the inherent risk then they shouldn’t be going anywhere other than an accompanied special needs holiday anyway. Pretty spot on to be honest mate. Surely folk were aware of the risks before heading off and prepared to quarantine if need be. I get that there was confusion when tourism said it was opening up but I think this is an example of the government learning from previous mistakes. What's the crack with testing? Could folk get tested at airports or borders and then return to work if it comes back negative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, London Wanderer said: Pretty spot on to be honest mate. Surely folk were aware of the risks before heading off and prepared to quarantine if need be. I get that there was confusion when tourism said it was opening up but I think this is an example of the government learning from previous mistakes. What's the crack with testing? Could folk get tested at airports or borders and then return to work if it comes back negative? Not sure pal. I think testing at airports etc all across Europe is almost non existent. I read that Dubai they are doing summat but I’m sure @Casino will be able to advise due to his daughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 26, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) May not test positive at that stage, so no And of course, we should make a distinction between folk who booked recently and those that booked 12 months back Ive a fair bit of sympathy for somebody booking 12 months back, with 3k invested They were told to go It was safe, in effect Quarantine is probably an over reaction but i still the correct decision, for now Edited July 26, 2020 by Casino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 26, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Not sure pal. I think testing at airports etc all across Europe is almost non existent. I read that Dubai they are doing summat but I’m sure @Casino will be able to advise due to his daughter not a thing no temp testing, which is the easiest thing to do, at either end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: not a thing no temp testing, which is the easiest thing to do, at either end Make my head hurt when I hear stuff like this. Countries locked down and economies fucked and they don’t see fit to temp test. Just got no comprehension of this I haven’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Make my head hurt when I hear stuff like this. Countries locked down and economies fucked and they don’t see fit to temp test. Just got no comprehension of this I haven’t WHO: Quote Temperature screening alone, at exit or entry, is not an effective way to stop international spread, since infected individuals may be in incubation period, may not express apparent symptoms early on in the course of the disease, or may dissimulate fever through the use of antipyretics; in addition, such measures require substantial investments for what may bear little benefits. It is more effective to provide prevention recommendation messages to travellers and to collect health declarations at arrival, with travellers’ contact details, to allow for a proper risk assessment and a possible contact tracing of incoming travellers. https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak#:~:text=Temperature screening alone%2C at,tracing of incoming travellers. Came across this whilst looking to see if asymptomatic people would show up on temperature checks (apparently not). So temperature checks would catch some (not all) carriers, but also give false negatives to carriers. Does appear strange that theres little done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: WHO: https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak#:~:text=Temperature screening alone%2C at,tracing of incoming travellers. Came across this whilst looking to see if asymptomatic people would show up on temperature checks (apparently not). So temperature checks would catch some (not all) carriers, but also give false negatives to carriers. Does appear strange that theres little done. Cheers. Everything we can do to even stop one person crossing a border with symptoms must be worth it. Although you then wonder why we just allowed for a long time people to enter without any quarantine or anything. I don’t think we will ever quite understand what’s happened. As I don’t think the powers that be across the world really do either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said: According to the BBC website,NHS workers are exempt from having to quarantine. WTF is all that about? It's only medical professionals who are providing essential medical care from what I can read? So wider than just the NHS - but not designed to include those in offices etc I suppose? I guess the reasoning is that although there's a small risk - on balance it's less of a risk than their patients not recieving the care they need in their return? And we have a LOT of Spanish nurses. Seems a bit of an odd message though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, kent_white said: It's only medical professionals who are providing essential medical care from what I can read? So wider than just the NHS - but not designed to include those in offices etc I suppose? I guess the reasoning is that although there's a small risk - on balance it's less of a risk than their patients not recieving the care they need in their return? And we have a LOT of Spanish nurses. Seems a bit of an odd message though? Will they be banned from Tik tok videos to ensure people start to receive the care they need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Will they be banned from Tik tok videos to ensure people start to receive the care they need? I don't get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: I don't get it? You haven’t seen the various tik tok videos that have circulated for weeks and weeks of staff dancing about acting the goat? whilst patients are denied critical care ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, Escobarp said: You haven’t seen the various tik tok videos that have circulated for weeks and weeks of staff dancing about acting the goat? whilst patients are denied critical care ? I haven't mate - I haven't got Tik Tok. Is this something that's bern happening where your Mum's being cared for? To be fair I've only seen people working their bollocks/flaps off since March - but that's only my personal experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kent_white said: I haven't mate - I haven't got Tik Tok. Is this something that's bern happening where your Mum's being cared for? To be fair I've only seen people working their bollocks/flaps off since March - but that's only my personal experience. I’ve just seen them on Twitter in the papers on the news not sure where they are from. and no as we had to go private as my mum wasn’t getting any care from the nhs. Not a scrap. Several cancelled appointments. Numerous excuses. But I don’t class that as care. More negligence actually Edited July 26, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Casino said: May not test positive at that stage, so no. Aye thought that might be the case, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 51 minutes ago, Escobarp said: I’ve just seen them on Twitter in the papers on the news not sure where they are from. Yet you're outraged by them - as though hundreds of thousands of nurses around the country are filming TikTok videos instead of saving peoples' lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Cheese said: Edited July 26, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Escobarp said: I’ve just seen them on Twitter in the papers on the news not sure where they are from. and no as we had to go private as my mum wasn’t getting any care from the nhs. Not a scrap. Several cancelled appointments. Numerous excuses. But I don’t class that as care. More negligence actually Sorry to hear that mate - hope she's getting the care you need now you've gone private. Did you speak to PALS in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 26, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Aye thought that might be the case, cheers. you could give it 3 days, report symptoms and send for a test Not saying you should, but im pretty sure some will Others just wont quarantine and the govt will be none the fucking wiser #worldbeating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Reckon they waited until he’d gone on holiday before this announcement think he flew Saturday. That’s one way to keep him out of trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 The latest from my holiday provider, TUI, is that they will still fly to the islands even if you have to quarantine on return (customers own choice) previously they had refused to fly out to countries where quarantine was required upon return. Looks like my holiday is still on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, kent_white said: Sorry to hear that mate - hope she's getting the care you need now you've gone private. Did you speak to PALS in the end? No just went private for now. But not sustainable given her issues so will need to. I’m down this week so will have a bit more time and will do so then 👍🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, Escobarp said: No just went private for now. But not sustainable given her issues so will need to. I’m down this week so will have a bit more time and will do so then 👍🏼 Hope it works out for you mate! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Escobarp said: WHO consultant Daniel Lopez Acuna says 14 regions of Spain have lower average infection rates than the UK. 3 regions are higher. He says the quarantine restrictions are unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Life’s not fair sadly. Rules are the rules. And the WHO don’t run the UK. im looking forward to my UK holiday in 4 weeks time. And foreign holiday later in the year currently with two weeks Quarantine afterwards. I know the risks. It’s my choice to go or not. Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: WHO consultant Daniel Lopez Acuna says 14 regions of Spain have lower average infection rates than the UK. 3 regions are higher. He says the quarantine restrictions are unfair. He’s 100% right, not sure who’s made this blanket quarantine call but seems illogical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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