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Just now, Leyther_Matt said:

Same drill as everything else. Leak it to the press a couple of days beforehand to test the water. If it’s happening then just crack on. 

 I think its because they've got to make sure everyone is on point, make sure the legislation is robust, make sure it's presented in a way that doesn't reduce popularity, make sure it doesn't piss off X industry or X lobby group. Whereas in China, the other extreme it's "you're fucking wearing masks everywhere tomorrow, or your uncle gets kneecapped"

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3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Was in the shop this morning before I headed out to a meeting. Mask was on as thems the rules So uncomfortable wouldn’t want to wear one for long at all. 
 

missus doing the shopping for the foreseeable 

No,  wouldnt like to have it on for more than 15 mins at a time. 

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Just now, peelyfeet said:

No,  wouldnt like to have it on for more than 15 mins at a time. 

At the most. Horrible. Fair play to those that wear them for their job  

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9 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

At the most. Horrible. Fair play to those that wear them for their job  

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5 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

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Where is cheese actually? He’s been very quiet 

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40 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

We are probably measuring very accurately, us and some US states, Australia, probably Germany and S Korea too. 

Have to look at others to see what methods work best, so that we have collective learning.

I don't have an issue with our reporting, we are the best bean counters in the world, just slow at innovation and decision making along with the US, it's a side effect of having detailed and democratic policy making procedures 

Exactly!!! If a country’s rate is falling. How? Why? What can we learn? What do we need to do?

On 12/07/2020 at 00:14, mickbrown said:

Governed by fuckwits who really don’t give a shit who dies  

 

Then you’ve got those who go on Twitter to find stuff to post on here to try to politicise it. How have the above countries been measuring? How does it compare to the UK? Why are the 17 other countries at zero? What’s their reporting policy? Nah. Forget I asked. Copy and Paste attention seekers don’t do detail 

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Would there be many complaining about having to wear masks in shops and such other than the tin foil lot? I don't get the non action here if it makes people less at risk of catching and spreading.

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30 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Exactly!!! If a country’s rate is falling. How? Why? What can we learn? What do we need to do?

Then you’ve got those who go on Twitter to find stuff to post on here to try to politicise it. How have the above countries been measuring? How does it compare to the UK? Why are the 17 other countries at zero? What’s their reporting policy? Nah. Forget I asked. Copy and Paste attention seekers don’t do detail 

Worked then eh? 😀

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31 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Masks to be compulsory in shops in England from 24th July.

Haha. Exactly.

Far East do it already. 

Advice from UK experts in March advising to follow

Adopted in most of Europe in April/May

WHO say it should be done in early June

We discuss it, then take a bit longer to get everyone on point,  leak it to the press, then say have to wait for 10 days until the legislation is in place.

Too slow.

Not blaming Tories, its the system / and for some reason it's  UK, US, and Brazil seemingly with mask issues, yet also top of the death charts. Is it coincidence or not?

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8 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Haha. Exactly.

Far East do it already. 

Advice from UK experts in March advising to follow

Adopted in most of Europe in April/May

WHO say it should be done in early June

We discuss it, then take a bit longer to get everyone on point,  leak it to the press, then say have to wait for 10 days until the legislation is in place.

Too slow.

Not blaming Tories, its the system / and for some reason it's  UK, US, and Brazil seemingly with mask issues, yet also top of the death charts. Is it coincidence or not?

I'd like to see a system that shows supermarket workers with a higher contraction rate than average, that might convince me to wear a mask in them.

 

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6 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

I'd like to see a system that shows supermarket workers with a higher contraction rate than average, that might convince me to wear a mask in them.

 

Its here https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/whichoccupationshavethehighestpotentialexposuretothecoronaviruscovid19/2020-05-11

Not very good data. Old and from US

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10 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Haha. Exactly.

Far East do it already. 

Advice from UK experts in March advising to follow

Adopted in most of Europe in April/May

WHO say it should be done in early June

We discuss it, then take a bit longer to get everyone on point,  leak it to the press, then say have to wait for 10 days until the legislation is in place.

Too slow.

Not blaming Tories, its the system / and for some reason it's  UK, US, and Brazil seemingly with mask issues, yet also top of the death charts. Is it coincidence or not?

Whilst I don’t disagree with you hindsight is an absolute marvellous gift 

In early March we really had no evidence as to how this virus was transmitted. Is it airborne? Is caught by touching door handles, etc and then touching your face? Like flu or the common cold 

As time went on we still had no hard evidence. I don’t have a problem with going with evidence rather than a knee-jerk reaction. Just because, for example, a European country went with face masks, was that the reason that their numbers fell? Or was it because of a better lockdown? Or different societal conditions?

Point I guess that I’m trying to make is that we need to stop focussing on single issues and look at the bigger picture 

 

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2 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

Serious question

Why the fuck compare our stats with other countries? Why?

Its patently obvious that every single country measures in a different way. There is no international standard being adhered to. Absolutely pointless comparison

Whether we have a flawed system or not surely we should focus on our numbers alone? It’s the trend we should be looking at in our own country. Fuck everyone else. Let them crack on. If our number goes up we need to worry. If it goes down let’s consider what to do. So long as we maintain consistency in our own reporting then we can make our own judgements

 

It's quite simple isn't it? To see what's worked and what hasn't.

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8 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Not convincing at all.

I'll wear one if I have to, but  reluctantly.

Where do you get them from?

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Just now, MancWanderer said:

Whilst I don’t disagree with you hindsight is an absolute marvellous gift 

In early March we really had no evidence as to how this virus was transmitted. Is it airborne? Is caught by touching door handles, etc and then touching your face? Like flu or the common cold 

As time went on we still had no hard evidence. I don’t have a problem with going with evidence rather than a knee-jerk reaction. Just because, for example, a European country went with face masks, was that the reason that their numbers fell? Or was it because of a better lockdown? Or different societal conditions?

Point I guess that I’m trying to make is that we need to stop focussing on single issues and look at the bigger picture 

 

Who knows? It's pretty low risk and low cost to wear masks and whilst there  wasn't as much evidence for mask wearing a few months ago, there was enough for many governments to think it worthwhile, and not many good arguments against it. I just think its disappointing that we seem to have be behind the curve. Boris was shaking hands with covid patients in March, presumably on the advice that he'd been given. Seems bonkers now.

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