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We just had our first ‘eat out to help out’ lunch. 
 

The pub has an offer so sandwiches are half price anyway so a £10 BLT was £2.50. Still not sure if was good value ! Just over £30 for 4 of us, only me drinking. 

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My uncle lost his battle to this in Royal Bolton this morning, so he will be one of today’s numbers.  last rites over the phone held by a nurse with no family there. made an exception yester

That was one of the loveliest things to ever happen. Stood in my garden sobbing like a baby! Proud to work for the NHS 👏👏👏👏❤️

I’ve sat with my mum who is slipping away, literally breathing her last today. She idolises the Queen, and whilst she didn’t in all likelihood hear that, I know she would have loved every single

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2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

We are finding out more and more about the virus everyday. There's going to be conclusions drawn by various experts and some of them are going to be wrong, that's the nature of science. At the moment, almost unanimously, the advisors to the governments of the world do not think that this is over. There is no evidence to show that if we went back to normal life, a % of the old and vulnerable who haven't caught the disease yet, would somehow survive it, or not get seriously ill. For anyone who says we just need to protect the old and let everyone else go about their business, it's not that easy, the old live with , work with , or are cared for by other people, we can't just move them all to Anglesey for a year. 

In the other corner you have an economy staring down the abyss 

The number of friends I have who have been put on notice of redundancy these past few weeks is frightening, all of which are well paid professionals. Most of them have been employed 10 years + so will get reasonable redundancy but it won’t last long and the jobs market doesn’t look very appealing. No housing benefit for house owners either, soon be squeaky bum time! 

Limited scope for the government to extend furlough, VAT cuts and Business rates relief deep into 2021 

It’s not as easy as just shutting down large swathes of the economy until we have a vaccine (could be years away) 

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26 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

Teachers just need to be careful, PPE, hand washing etc...

 

Not possible, 

Been told that masks are not advised, and you can't just nip to wash your hands when you're in charge of 30 teenagers. 

Going to be interesting when they re-open. It's impossible to comprehend the amount of planning it takes to safely look after 1500 teenagers in a school environment. 

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35 minutes ago, Spider said:

If cases are still rising but deaths aren't, is there a possibility the virus is losing its potency?

or maybe we're better at handling it?

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15 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Not possible, 

Been told that masks are not advised, and you can't just nip to wash your hands when you're in charge of 30 teenagers. 

Going to be interesting when they re-open. It's impossible to comprehend the amount of planning it takes to safely look after 1500 teenagers in a school environment. 

You don't need to go and wash your hands. 

All you need is sanitiser. Everyone does it on the way in to class, everyone on the way out. Teacher has one on his own desk.

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25 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Not possible, 

Been told that masks are not advised, and you can't just nip to wash your hands when you're in charge of 30 teenagers. 

Going to be interesting when they re-open. It's impossible to comprehend the amount of planning it takes to safely look after 1500 teenagers in a school environment. 

A logistical nightmare, you could say

But then theyve had months and months

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Just now, only1swanny said:

Not possible, 

Been told that masks are not advised, and you can't just nip to wash your hands when you're in charge of 30 teenagers. 

Going to be interesting when they re-open. It's impossible to comprehend the amount of planning it takes to safely look after 1500 teenagers in a school environment. 

Not impossible, but certainly challenging.

we all have to do our bit here, it’s a war of sorts.

Sanitise hands, wear masks. One way systems.

By the time September rolls round they’ll have had 6 months to prepare.

Obviously apart from the 6 week summer break.....

 

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

In the other corner you have an economy staring down the abyss 

The number of friends I have who have been put on notice of redundancy these past few weeks is frightening, all of which are well paid professionals. Most of them have been employed 10 years + so will get reasonable redundancy but it won’t last long and the jobs market doesn’t look very appealing. No housing benefit for house owners either, soon be squeaky bum time! 

Limited scope for the government to extend furlough, VAT cuts and Business rates relief deep into 2021 

It’s not as easy as just shutting down large swathes of the economy until we have a vaccine (could be years away) 

Economy would still have been fooked to an extent even if we'd done a New Zealand or a Sweden. NZ having to pump $50 billion into their economy despite containing the virus , Swedish business with international supply chain are suffering, and their economy isn't expected to fare any better than other Nordics (all with vastly less deaths) Very tricky to balance. Going to be worldwide this slump. On the whole, think I'd much rather be in NZ at the moment, no restrictions, proper quarantine rules for international visitors, hardly any deaths. 

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5 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Economy would still have been fooked to an extent even if we'd done a New Zealand or a Sweden. NZ having to pump $50 billion into their economy despite containing the virus , Swedish business with international supply chain are suffering, and their economy isn't expected to fare any better than other Nordics (all with vastly less deaths) Very tricky to balance. Going to be worldwide this slump. On the whole, think I'd much rather be in NZ at the moment, no restrictions, proper quarantine rules for international visitors, hardly any deaths. 

We will find out how the Swedish second quarter has gone tomorrow, experts are predicting GDP of -7% (I think we are expecting -25% and the US -32%) 

Much of the Swedish economic decline is driven by weak exports as other markets have been shut down, rather than reduced spending within the country 

Sweden’s death rate per 100,000 is one of the highest in Europe at 56, but then again I think we are above 60 

Sweeden also have a benefit that a greater number have had it, so should theoretically be immune from a second wave. Antibody tests in Sweden would indicate 14% have had it (think it’s only 6% here?) 

#lockuptheoldiesandletscrackon

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3 hours ago, Spider said:

If cases are still rising but deaths aren't, is there a possibility the virus is losing its potency?

Guess we'll see in a few weeks as it takes some time. Also claims that more younger people are getting it at the moment. 

Opening schools may still require some employers to be flexible with staff, as many won't want grandparents collecting kids before they get home. That was part of the reason for shielding/closing schools in the first place.

A minefield. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Track & Trace in Russia, firstly lockdown all Athletes 😁

Wouldn’t that be Track & Field? 🤣

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7 hours ago, Spider said:

Not impossible, but certainly challenging.

we all have to do our bit here, it’s a war of sorts.

Sanitise hands, wear masks. One way systems.

By the time September rolls round they’ll have had 6 months to prepare.

Obviously apart from the 6 week summer break.....

 

I'll say it again, just so it's crystal clear..

Teachers are NOT TO WEAR MASKS, following government guidance. Kids are also not to wear masks. 

It's not safe for me to go to my mums for a brew in her garden, but it's safe for me to be shut in a room with 30 teenagers, with the government telling me I am not allowed to wear a mask.  Makes perfect sense. 

I'll do what i'm told and go back to work in September, doesn't mean I'm happy about it. I'm ina  better place than many

 

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26 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

 

It's not safe for me to go to my mums for a brew in her garden, but it's safe for me to be shut in a room with 30 teenagers, with the government telling me I am not allowed to wear a mask.  Makes perfect sense. 

 

 

Its exactly the same as the justification for allowing folk to meet in pubs not back gardens

The country needs pubs ooen

The country needs schools open

Dunno why we need parks open!

Why no masks for teachers anyway, what about visors?

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Lots of friendly football matches getting arranged after the initial relaxation from Aug 1st.  Local fa guidance ( last I saw) after the tightening up last week was to continue with guidance issued in relation to starting back safely 
cant see how that’s ok but sitting in a relations garden isn’t ? 
I’m glad it is on like but can’t see the logic 

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6 hours ago, fatolive said:

Lots of friendly football matches getting arranged after the initial relaxation from Aug 1st.  Local fa guidance ( last I saw) after the tightening up last week was to continue with guidance issued in relation to starting back safely 
cant see how that’s ok but sitting in a relations garden isn’t ? 
I’m glad it is on like but can’t see the logic 

Last Sunday lads u12 had a friendly players/ coaches and parents so around 50/60 altogether, mini tournament coming up so be a fair few at that

But they need it otherwise they go under 

 

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1 hour ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Last Sunday lads u12 had a friendly players/ coaches and parents so around 50/60 altogether, mini tournament coming up so be a fair few at that

But they need it otherwise they go under 

 

Aye, my kids having them as well apart from one last week when the other team cancelled simply because we were from Bolton after the announcement on Greater Manchester ... Loads more planned but same kids / teens can’t go and sit in their cousins garden , that’s the bit I don’t get even though I’m glad football is allowed back . 

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19 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

In the other corner you have an economy staring down the abyss 

The number of friends I have who have been put on notice of redundancy these past few weeks is frightening, all of which are well paid professionals. Most of them have been employed 10 years + so will get reasonable redundancy but it won’t last long and the jobs market doesn’t look very appealing. No housing benefit for house owners either, soon be squeaky bum time! 

Limited scope for the government to extend furlough, VAT cuts and Business rates relief deep into 2021 

It’s not as easy as just shutting down large swathes of the economy until we have a vaccine (could be years away) 

This.

As an example of the potential housing issue, during the lockdown my daughters partner, who is a self employed plasterer was unable to work, the daughter had become redundant while on maternity leave as the company she worked for had become insolvent (mid 2019 so pre- corona). They had no income whatsoever so were told to claim universal credit, this amounted to just over £400 a month, their mortgage alone is almost £800 a month, they pointed this out and were informed that they wouldn't be able to claim any sort of housing allowance for six months. Luckily they had some savings and we were able to help them out to keep them afloat.

Daughter has now got a part time job and they are both working again but are reliant on family to look after the little one for the three days a week that both are in work. Strictly speaking the only person who should be able to mind the kiddy would be somebody who is a single person who has 'bubbled' with them, nobody fits that description. If one of them gives up work to stay at home with him they wouldn't have anywhere near enough coming in to pay the bills. 

Multiply this by hundreds of thousands if not millions of families across the land.

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11 hours ago, only1swanny said:

I'll say it again, just so it's crystal clear..

Teachers are NOT TO WEAR MASKS, following government guidance. Kids are also not to wear masks. 

It's not safe for me to go to my mums for a brew in her garden, but it's safe for me to be shut in a room with 30 teenagers, with the government telling me I am not allowed to wear a mask.  Makes perfect sense. 

I'll do what i'm told and go back to work in September, doesn't mean I'm happy about it. I'm ina  better place than many

 

Stop whinging and get to bloody work. 

 

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