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1 minute ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

0 - 0 against Accrington Stanley and people are getting excited. 

 

Shows how far we have fallen...Accrington Stanley ... and our keeper is our MOM 

Lincoln city ran us ragged a few weeks ago. 

Just saying .

I cannot see any positives from yesterday .

 

Serious question , did you go yesterday?

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Hill or Mr Grey???

Would just like to see a bit of gamesmanship from us for a change we even take free kicks further back . 2-2 couple of sendings off .

What’s the score next game

3 minutes ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

Yes , I do all home games , season ticket holder .... we had a few chances first half ...which was unusual ...creating chances . 

 

Fair enough its all about opinions

They might be lowly Accy Stanley but they hammered us at their place & we were on a five match losing run so any improvement has to be clutched at unfortunately.

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22 minutes ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

0 - 0 against Accrington Stanley and people are getting excited. 

 

Shows how far we have fallen...Accrington Stanley ... and our keeper is our MOM 

Lincoln city ran us ragged a few weeks ago. 

Just saying .

I cannot see any positives from yesterday .

 

Lincoln City ran us ragged because we had players being played out of position, and because we were forced to play players the jury is very much out on.

They wouldn't have done the same to us yesterday.

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11 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Just the one?  So better than most keepers (just watch MOTD).  I don't recall his last cock up in home games, and not responsible for any recent goals conceded away that I've seen on highlights.  And another bonus is he doesn't think he's a ball playing Franco Baresi, he gets rid.  Top keeper for me.

Even those who get on his back, and there were plenty enough at St Andrews v Coventry, I don't really think it's his ability as a shot-stopper. The stick at that particular game started when he held onto the ball for [what the fans thought was] too long when there was [what the fans thought] an opportunity to throw the ball out to a player breaking up the wing. 
I also think it's more of an issue when we stand behind a goal rather than side-on.

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I thought we did ok yesterday, should have won. Yes Remi made a couple of decent saves but didn’t have enough to do to warrant MOM for me, that honour would go to Crawford even though he was goosed for the last 15 mins.

if we play like that every week, I’ll be relatively happy

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1 hour ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

0 - 0 against Accrington Stanley and people are getting excited. 

 

Shows how far we have fallen...Accrington Stanley ... and our keeper is our MOM 

Lincoln city ran us ragged a few weeks ago. 

Just saying .

I cannot see any positives from yesterday .

 

Fair points

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Just seen Matthews save in the last seconds Jesus didn’t realise it was so good .

Downside was the amount of space the guy had teeing up the shot 

Murphy was doing his nut , someone not doing their job which has been our curse in the main

Somebody once said ‘good teams score late, poor teams concede late , luck has got nothing to do with it’ how true that is.

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15 hours ago, Casino said:

The switch was on 75/80 minutes

Luke Murphy was as good as anybody today

You're right, none of our outfield players were better than L Murphy.  6 out of 10 was as good as it got, and Murphy's passing was more consistently accurate than normal.  Dodoo 6 out of 10 for 1st half, struggling to think of anyone else above 5, definitely Lowe's least effective home game under Hill and probably Politic too.

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5 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Matthews is alright. Nothing more than that but it's no crime. Lowe would be better for us in midfield but the fact is he's a better defender than Emmanuel and we're more solid with him there than we are without. 

I quite like the idea of Bryan in midfield. His technique and passing ability is better than our three other central midfielders. He needs to be used more though if we're to get any benefit out of having him there.

Its just opinions but I just don't see it with Bryan, he's tidy enough but passing as limited as Lowe and doesnt have a trick or much pace to get forward and back.  Doesnt win as many tackles as Lowe, just not as strong.  And if Lowe's a bit better defensively than Emannuel, he's worse going forward, really terrible at crossing and doesnt routinely beat a man like JE does.  If we had another established right back (like we do at left back) I could understand the rotation, but to weaken midfield and not really improve right back is a mistake by Hill for me.

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5 hours ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

0 - 0 against Accrington Stanley and people are getting excited. 

 

Shows how far we have fallen...Accrington Stanley ... and our keeper is our MOM 

Lincoln city ran us ragged a few weeks ago. 

Just saying .

I cannot see any positives from yesterday .

 

Our keeper was MOTM for us because nobody played that well.  Matthews has made more saves in the first 15 minutes of games than he made yesterday, in first half he was a spectator except for catching some poor crosses and preventing a comical OG from Hobbs.  2 top drawer saves in 2nd half, compared to their keeper making about 8 (fairly routine) saves.  We were the better team over 90 minutes, just, and that's rare, so its a positive. 

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5 hours ago, Nottm_Wanderer said:

0 - 0 against Accrington Stanley and people are getting excited. 

 

Shows how far we have fallen...Accrington Stanley ... and our keeper is our MOM 

Lincoln city ran us ragged a few weeks ago. 

Just saying .

I cannot see any positives from yesterday .

 

A lot were expecting us to lose, against a team that put 7 past us earlier.

We drew. Thats a (small) step in the right direction.

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17 hours ago, Traf said:

Matthews gets stick because he's prone to at least one major fuck-up per game and he doesn't command his 6 yd box on crosses.

Today, neither of those really happened, so he had a good game.

As if to prove a point I've just watched first half hour of Everton v Man U and if Matthews was in goal for both teams it would be 0-0 now, but its 1-1.  Those 2 are the worst of the lot in the Prem for me if we're talking regular cock ups, but there are plenty others guilty week after week.

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5 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

As if to prove a point I've just watched first half hour of Everton v Man U and if Matthews was in goal for both teams it would be 0-0 now, but its 1-1.  Those 2 are the worst of the lot in the Prem for me if we're talking regular cock ups, but there are plenty others guilty week after week.

Yet just seen a world class save from Pickford there. Matthews wouldn’t have got near it apart from picking it out the net . Stop talking pish man 

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Nobody was questioning Matthews making saves, the criticism of him is the "cock ups" or basic mistakes (eg that comical goal at Wigan).  I'm saying he makes less than most.  If you disagree fair enough, its my opinion that most others are worse from what I see on TV most weeks. Of course De Gea and Pickford make great saves, beyond what Matthews can do, I also see that they are responsible for too many conceded.  Especially when you consider they play for clubs that are often better than their opponents, they aren't having to make 12 saves a match like our keeper for the last 3 seasons.

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1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Nobody was questioning Matthews making saves, the criticism of him is the "cock ups" or basic mistakes (eg that comical goal at Wigan).  I'm saying he makes less than most.  If you disagree fair enough, its my opinion that most others are worse from what I see on TV most weeks. Of course De Gea and Pickford make great saves, beyond what Matthews can do, I also see that they are responsible for too many conceded.  Especially when you consider they play for clubs that are often better than their opponents, they aren't having to make 12 saves a match like our keeper for the last 3 seasons.

I don’t criticize Matthews. Never have never will. I don’t think he’s that bad. 
ive an issue with the use of two top keepers as an example of why our keeper maybe isn’t bad. It’s just a strange way of making your point thats all 

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1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

You're right, none of our outfield players were better than L Murphy.  6 out of 10 was as good as it got, and Murphy's passing was more consistently accurate than normal.  Dodoo 6 out of 10 for 1st half, struggling to think of anyone else above 5, definitely Lowe's least effective home game under Hill and probably Politic too.

Lowe might have been a bit more effective if he’d received the ball a little more. Four times he’d ran 40-50 yards to overlap and only got the ball once and put in the best cross of the game, sat right on the edge of the six yard box with the right pace and height to put doubt in the keepers mind. Not saying he’s particularly good in that position, but he offered an outlet and did especially well defensively.

Must be so frustrating to work with this team day in, day out. Dodoo, L Murphy, Politic and Crawford all showed good bits of play at various points, yet completely anonymous for long periods. 

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1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

I don’t criticize Matthews. Never have never will. I don’t think he’s that bad. 
ive an issue with the use of two top keepers as an example of why our keeper maybe isn’t bad. It’s just a strange way of making your point thats all 

Fair enough but I dont have them down as top keepers any more, because of their errors.  My idea of current top keepers are Schmeichal, Pope, Henderson, Dubravka (Newcastle), Heaton; great shot stoppers, great in the air and commanding the box and most important not gifting goals once a month.  I genuinely dont rate De Gea because as well as mistakes he's renowned for being below average when under pressure in the air.

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2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I think if we dropped Luke Murphy and put Lowe back in midfiefld, Emmanuel at RB - we'd have more chance of winning a few games.

I'd be inclined to agree.

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Nah Emmanuel is a liability, although I'm big believer that playing players in the right positions is imperative...

so on that score, Lowe is better, although would sooner have him in midfield , just shows how bad Emmanuel is.

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47 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Nah Emmanuel is a liability, although I'm big believer that playing players in the right positions is imperative...

so on that score, Lowe is better, although would sooner have him in midfield , just shows how bad Emmanuel is.

I'm watching a different player, looks decent to me, God we've had far worse in last few years.

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