DomRepWanderer Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Think this Stevey B could be a visitor from Barrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Stevey B said: FV screwed up here. They didn't pursue other managers because they would cost too much, but were misled by Evatt's agent that he would come cheap. Didn't realise that Barrow interpreted his contract differently and now hes gonna cost more than the likes of Lowe, Wellens etc. But they're too far into the process now to climb down. Just hope £200k turns out to be money well spent! Did Barrow play good football last season and what side of the ground do you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) 200k compo for a manager and it’s much of a muchness on who you get.  Exactly the same as buying a player. All of a similar standard. No assurances that any of them are going to work or not.  the Evatts, Lowe’s & Wellens etc have all been looked at by us all as more positive than the Powell’s & Adkins etc. So there’s no point in splitting hairs between them i get the point about football league experience but you can counter that and say Evatt played across all levels of English football v’s Lowe. So whose knowledge is greater? Furthermore, considering how many conference sides then get promoted from L2 so soon after promotion in to it & the the tiny number of clubs who come back after relegation from L2, there’s not actually that much difference at all.  id of taken any of them and will be happy with whichever one of them we get.  judgement starts when the football does Edited June 28, 2020 by barrycowdrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 If there’s anyone on this planet that would know Ian Evatts contract stipulations and release clauses it’s his fucking agent.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevey B Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, gonzo said: If there’s anyone on this planet that would know Ian Evatts contract stipulations and release clauses it’s his fucking agent.  And maybe his club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Will he have an agent? I didn’t think players and managers at that level would use them, why pay someone 10% of your wage if you only earn £1k or even £2k a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 It does seem a bit of a coincidence that Lowe ruled himself out for the job after it became common knowledge that Evatt was FVs preferred option. Stevey B - don't talk bollocks lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomRepWanderer Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Stevey B said: And maybe his club. And maybe his cub are trying to screw more money out of us than originally agreed, they are crowd funding to get their ground up to scratch so every little helps, so fuck his club, we pay what was agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stevey B said: And maybe his club. Yes so why on earth would his agent mislead BWFC? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevey B Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, gonzo said: Yes so why on earth would his agent mislead BWFC?  What you don't seem to understand is his agent and Evatt reckon they are still non-league, and Barrow say they are League 2. The difference in wages and bonuses between the two is close to £100k - that's what the dispute is all about. Agent Steve Whiston says buyout clause is £150k, Barrow say it's £250k.  FV will meet them in the middle or it's likely gonna go to tribunal - which nobody really wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, Stevey B said: And maybe his club. Who's this pretender?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Stevey B said: What you don't seem to understand is his agent and Evatt reckon they are still non-league, and Barrow say they are League 2. The difference in wages and bonuses between the two is close to £100k - that's what the dispute is all about. Agent Steve Whiston says buyout clause is £150k, Barrow say it's £250k.  FV will meet them in the middle or it's likely gonna go to tribunal - which nobody really wants. I would’ve understood if you’d have explained all that in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroySwoosh Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, Stevey B said: What you don't seem to understand is his agent and Evatt reckon they are still non-league, and Barrow say they are League 2. The difference in wages and bonuses between the two is close to £100k - that's what the dispute is all about. Agent Steve Whiston says buyout clause is £150k, Barrow say it's £250k.  FV will meet them in the middle or it's likely gonna go to tribunal - which nobody really wants. Or maybe Evatt gets pissed off at the club holding him for ransom and walks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 3 hours ago, masi 51 said: We need to go up this season if we are to keep the likes of Politic and Darcy and grow as a team.....Next season the embargo is lifted and with that expectations will grow. I expect us to get promotion two seasons running and be back in the championship in two years time. We will only get there if FV are bold and get this appointment right and back him for the following season. The new manager will have a crop of good young players and the pick of players who are willing to drop to lge 2. As much as we want to keep them long term, if for arguments sake they leave in a year, we will get a decent fee as they'll still be under contract (I think they run till 2022 but could be wrong). So if we get lets say half a mil for one or both of them that's a great transfer/salary budget for us. I'm not half as concerned about losing them in a year than I was about them "doing a Connell" and giving us no benefit at all. Getting another year out of them and then a good fee is arguably the perfect scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevey B Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, TroySwoosh said: Or maybe Evatt gets pissed off at the club holding him for ransom and walks Again, that would result in legal wranglings that are costly and disruptive. Could even end up costing more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, tomski said: I expect promotion like I did when we went into L1 with PP this season. Difference being i grant that PP had a squad to walk it. But I still expect this is our best chance to regroup and build with all that’s going on. Can’t judge till the squad is put together but I’d be massively disappointed with anything less than promotion That's a big ask with only 3 automatic places. You've got to expect Tranmere, Southend are going to be strong, then the likes of Bradford and Salford with big budgets, and the 3 that miss out in the play offs all have stronger squads than we can realistically expect to put together in about 2 months. It doesnt leave much wriggle room to "expect" promotion, when we have no influence over how good the opposition are going to be. Let's see some stability, no relegation worries, and a style of play we enjoy watching, with some method and structure behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton va va Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 He wouldn't be the first manager to leave a club to "have a break from football / spend more time with his family " & then a few days later, turn up at another club, .......where he might possibly even receive an envelope containing his share of the saved compensation fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger_Dubuis Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevey B said: What you don't seem to understand is his agent and Evatt reckon they are still non-league, and Barrow say they are League 2. The difference in wages and bonuses between the two is close to £100k - that's what the dispute is all about. Agent Steve Whiston says buyout clause is £150k, Barrow say it's £250k.  FV will meet them in the middle or it's likely gonna go to tribunal - which nobody really wants. Thanks for your input, good to know what the delay is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Stevey B said: Agent says buyout clause is £150k, Barrow say it's £250k.  FV will meet them in the middle Which is what I said about 3 days ago thanks for coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevey B Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 minute ago, barrycowdrill said: Which is what I said about 3 days ago thanks for coming Exactly. The only thing that's changed is everyone's three days more impatient and we're now in a position where we have to do this deal or make an embarrassing climb-down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Has Evatt ever worked with an Academy? I thought the main aim was to get a manager who could bring young players through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, passmosster said: Has Evatt ever worked with an Academy? I thought the main aim was to get a manager who could bring young players through? We won’t have an under 23 squad next season. We are moving away from that idea and into the Brentford moneyball style operation. Hence Tobias Phoenix being pivotal.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted June 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Stevey B said: Exactly. The only thing that's changed is everyone's three days more impatient and we're now in a position where we have to do this deal or make an embarrassing climb-down. Why would you be embarrassed if barrow cant do the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Some talk that Evatt assistant Atherton might not come, think that would be a major mistake, good management teams come in pairs and one without the other would really concern me.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted June 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Some talk that Evatt assistant Atherton might not come, think that would be a major mistake, good management teams come in pairs and one without the other would really concern me.  Not necessarily. I haven’t a clue who Liverpool or City’s number 2 is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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