Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, jmjhb said: I see Lyle Taylor has done his own research on events at the Capitol I just see a black footballer making the same points as people on here that were attempted to be shut down assume his views are invalid as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) He's entitled to his view I'm entitled to think nothing of them, given his crackpot theories on other matters Edited January 10, 2021 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, jmjhb said: He's entitled to his view I'm entitled to think nothing of them, given his crackpot theories on other matters So let me get this right. a Black footballers views on racism and Black Lives Matter amount to nothing? Because he has strange views on other things that happen to contradict your own beliefs? wonderful 👏🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Actually I mostly agree with what he said on the issue in that article, apart from the martial law bollocks He does have a propensity for the crackpot theory though, so maybe a broken clock is right twice a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Actually I mostly agree with what he said on the issue in that article, apart from the martial law bollocks He does have a propensity for the crackpot theory though, so maybe a broken clock is right twice a day I’ve never really heard much of the bloke before I saw that article to be fair and found it interesting so wanted the people who had criticized such opinions from folk on here to comment if possible see if they thought his view was also nonsensical and not worthy orf airing as well that was all. And if this made him racist of course? Edited January 10, 2021 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Equally interesting was that Chris Hughton, who is also black, was perfectly ok with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, jmjhb said: Equally interesting was that Chris Hughton, who is also black, was perfectly ok with it Thousands of blacks are perfectly ok with it as is their right. Not sure what your point is though? do you think lyle Taylor is a racist towards black people out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) I've got a whole day's training tomorrow on Anti Racism, I may even be able to join in on this thread after it😀 Edited January 11, 2021 by athywhite1958 Spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Thousands of blacks are perfectly ok with it as is their right. Not sure what your point is though? do you think lyle Taylor is a racist towards black people out of interest? Just thought it was worth pointing out. No, of course not, I'm not sure how you possibly came to that conclusion Edited January 10, 2021 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, jmjhb said: Just thought it was worth pointing out. No, of course not Thanks. Hopefully someone who insinuated people who held the same view as him were racists will be along to vilify Lyle Taylor and call him an ignorant racist shortly. For balance of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) The main objection, certainly mine, was the fact some, not all, predominantly white middle-aged blokes were opining that racism was either largely a thing of the past (in the UK) through to 'not as big a thing as in the USA'... It's not for us to make that judgement. It's arguably legitimate for a white bloke to be of the opinion there is racism because we will know racists, encounter racist behaviour, we'll see looks over shoulders before bigots open their big mouths etc... Our whiteness gives us access to racist thought and action - what it prevents us experiencing is direct white on black racism. Lyle Taylor can say whatever he likes based on his experiences and his race. He couldn't say that 'gammon' doesn't hurty feelings and is a nasty name to call folk 'cause he won't ever be called gammon. Is it right for a bloke to say childbirth is nowt and wimmin should quit bellyaching? For a gentile to claim there's no longer anti-semitism? A straight bloke or woman to say homophobia is a thing of the past? But it seems it's fine for a white bloke to say systemic racism is a myth, that black folk are overreacting - they're just jumping on a bandwagon, attention seeking in their reaction to an event thousands of miles away in Minneapolis... I never called anyone a racist, I merely questioned the right of a certain demographic to make claims that there were no/few racists or that racism was being overblown as an issue. It's not our call (white lads on this forum) to make. (Rudy, Deane and any other folk of black heritage who post on here excepted). Edited January 12, 2021 by Youri McAnespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said: The main objection, certainly mine, was the fact some, not all, predominantly white middle-aged blokes were opining that racism was either completely a thing of the past through to 'not as big a thing as in the USA'... It's not for us to make that judgement. It's arguably legitimate for a white bloke to be of the opinion there is racism because we will know racists, encounter racist behaviour, we'll see looks over shoulders before bigots open their big mouths etc... Our whiteness gives us access to racist thought and action - what it prevents us experiencing is direct white on black racism. Lyle Taylor can say whatever he likes based on his experiences and his race. He couldn't say that 'gammon' doesn't hurty feelings and is a nasty name to call folk 'cause he won't ever be called gammon. Is it right for a bloke to say childbirth is nowt and wimmin should quit bellyaching? For a gentile to claim there's no longer anti-semitism? A straight bloke or woman to say homophobia is a thing of the past? But it seems it's fine for a white bloke to say systemic racism is a myth, that black folk are overreacting - they're just jumping on a bandwagon, attention seeking in their reaction to an event thousands of miles away in Minneapolis... I never called anyone a racist, I merely questioned the right of a certain demographic that there were no racists or that racism was being overblown as an issue. It's not our call (white lads on this forum) to make. (Rudy, Dean and any other folk of black heritage who post on here excepted). Ive never seen a single post on this forum saying racism doesn’t exist? Have I missed something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I didn't make that claim, well maybe I'll amend the post above by adding 'largely'... And I'm not trawling back through the thread (and others) for evidence - I know what I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Youri McAnespie said: I didn't make that claim, well maybe I'll amend the post above by adding 'largely'... And I'm not trawling back through the thread (and others) for evidence - I know what I've read. So do I mate. also my actual point was around BLM and the views of people around what it actually stood for as an organization, why we should maybe distance the messaging from associating with BLM and that the message had been diluted. A viewpoint shared by a black footballer clearly and I just wondered if the same people who criticized folk on here for the same view would brand him/imply he was an ignorant racist also ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted January 10, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2021 Go on Facebook and find any post of someone with a slightly foreign name selling something with an inflated price. Guy selling a ps5 last week wanted 700..clear racist comments littering the comments section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 @Escobarp You clearly feel you've been slandered in specific posts by specific posters of which I am not one. Regarding Lyle Taylor I had no idea of his existence until about two hours ago. He might be a big old racist for all I know, a rabid sinophobic or a Farrakhan following anti-semite. I dunno how he could possibly be viewed as a racist against his own race - it's a nonsensical proposition. Some folk with a similar heritage may slur him as a 'sellout' etc. some may concur with him - that's entirely their prerogative(s). As a white bloke I have no opinion on his opinion, his opinion is formed of his experience - experience I can never erm...experience, thus my viewpoint is null and void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 hours ago, athywhite1958 said: I've got a whole day's training tomorrow on Ant racism, I may even be able to join in on this thread after it😀 Is this about black ones not being allowed in red colonies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, kent_white said: Is this about black ones not being allowed in red colonies? 😁 edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 12 hours ago, athywhite1958 said: I've got a whole day's training tomorrow on Anti Racism, I may even be able to join in on this thread after it😀 You going to be injecting people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athywhite1958 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 No, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said: 😁 edited 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: 😁😁😁 Did you see Attenborough last night, and the relationship between fig wasps and ants? Quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mr Grey said: It's a welcomed input from Lyle and fair play to him. If by not kneeling he wants to make a statement about the politics of BLM then that's his right. I hope he is supported. There are plenty of black people who don't associate themselves with the BLM message, they are certainly not a minority. It does just bring us around in the same old fucking circle on this thread though. Despite everything Lyle says - those taking the knee are not necessarily doing it for BLM - many are doing it for reasons of anti-racism and racial equality. Something he says he agrees with in his statement. Edited January 11, 2021 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: It's a welcomed input from Lyle and fair play to him. If by not kneeling he wants to make a statement about the politics of BLM then that's his right. I hope he is supported. There are plenty of black people who don't associate themselves with the BLM message, they are certainly not a minority. It does just bring us around in the same old fucking circle on this thread though. Despite everything Lyle says - those taking the knee are not necessarily doing it for BLM - many are doing it for reasons of anti-racism and racial equality. Something he says he agrees with in his statement. That’s not the point I was making though was it? So what circle are we coming around just so I’m clear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Did you see Attenborough last night, and the relationship between fig wasps and ants? Quality. I’ll never eat a fig again! Correction: If I ate figs, I’d never eat figs again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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